Engine Build: 434ci SBO 350 built by Mark R.

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Old Feb 15, 2019 | 11:32 AM
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Thumbs up Engine Build: 434ci SBO 350 & Much More!

Hello folks!

I am in the middle of a drivetrain upgrade for my 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme that has been in the family since bought new in 1972.

Stock is a 350sbo, TH350, 10 bolt with 2.73s open diff.




Last year I installed a 9-in rear end with 3.73s w/ tru-trac posi unit.



Totally upgraded the frame and suspension all around:




NOW, to the engine!

Mark is building me a ground-up build from a 72 SBO 350 block. It will be bored and stroked to 434ci. ProComp Alum. Heads. Hydraulic roller cam, carburetor, etc.

More details to come, but this is where I'll be updating the process of the build, results, install, etc!

I'm so excited!


** Build Specs on Post #7 **

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Old Feb 15, 2019 | 01:45 PM
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Awesome! I should have mine soon. It is going in my 67 convertible. Any day now...
Old Feb 15, 2019 | 02:32 PM
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Curious why you went with the 9"? The factory 8.5" with bolt in axles is probably the best GM rear to build. It will haul *** with the stroker.
Old Feb 16, 2019 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cjsdad
Awesome! I should have mine soon. It is going in my 67 convertible. Any day now...
I've been reading your thread, too! I'm excited to see your results.

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Curious why you went with the 9"? The factory 8.5" with bolt in axles is probably the best GM rear to build. It will haul *** with the stroker.
I cannot wait!

I've broken too many GM 10-bolts to spend any more money on them. Plus, this 9in rear is lighter than the factory 10-bolt.
Old Feb 17, 2019 | 09:23 AM
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What trans are you going with?
Old Feb 17, 2019 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by olds 307 and 403
What trans are you going with?
Built TH400
Old Feb 17, 2019 | 09:41 AM
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Here are the build specs:

· Olds 350 Gas block core

· Sonic check block

· Align hone with 5 main Halo

· Square deck block

· Bore to 4.155

· Balance crank, rods, pistons, balancer and flexplate

· 4.00" Stroker 5140 Billet crank, 434c.i.

· Eagle I beam 6.125 LS Rods

· Custom Racetec 4032 Forged pistons

· Custom Lunati Hyd roller cam and lifters (231/237@.050, .565/.563 lift)

· Edelbrock Performer RPM intake

· Brawler 770Carb w/ Elec Choke

· Polished ProComp Aluminum Heads with full roller rockers

· Canton Deep pan, HV pump and pickup

· New balancer and flexplate

· New Billet distributor and 8mm wires

· Olds Gold painted

· Chrome Valve Covers

· Dyno tuned, crated, ready to ship.
Old Feb 17, 2019 | 10:53 AM
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Nice low stance on the car, are the factory rear wheel widened?
Old Feb 17, 2019 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Nick
Nice low stance on the car, are the factory rear wheel widened?
Correct, 15x10.



Old Feb 17, 2019 | 04:20 PM
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That should be a wicked motor for sure.
What are you doing for fuel system
Old Feb 18, 2019 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by olds403
That should be a wicked motor for sure.
What are you doing for fuel system
Thanks!

Currently working with Mark right now on what electric fuel pump system to go with.
Old Feb 18, 2019 | 10:48 PM
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Very cool build, but I would like to ask why aren't you going with a 350DX diesel block instead of a 350 gas block?

I don't want to sound like a troll, but IMO, the block halo won't offer near the strength possible as the diesel block with 4 bolt caps in the long run, especially with the possibilities of the billet crank and good rods and pistons.

Do you have flow numbers on the heads? What intake valve size?

We have personally re-built and upgraded a 455 that will likely and eventually "outrun" the hp-strength capabilities of the block, and I will have my eyes open for an affordable 350DX block that can slowly be built over the next several years.

If I was to start over, I would do a 350DX block with 4 bolt main caps to start with.... With enough cylinder head flow and proper cam tuning, a 600-700hp NA street engine is quite attainable.
Old Feb 19, 2019 | 04:42 AM
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Valve sizes are 2.07/1.68, with simple clean up.
And his hp level doesn’t warrant having to use a DX Block. Gas blocks are good to 600 or so, especially with lighter, stiffer insides.

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Old Feb 28, 2019 | 09:55 AM
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Update; looks like we are going to change carbs to a QF830. More to come soon!
Old Feb 28, 2019 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
Update; looks like we are going to change carbs to a QF830. More to come soon!
That’s more suited to your build, although I would’ve liked to see a Victor instead of an RPM.😉
My guess is 520/545.
Old Mar 1, 2019 | 07:35 AM
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Sounds awesome.
Old Mar 1, 2019 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi

That’s more suited to your build, although I would’ve liked to see a Victor instead of an RPM.😉
My guess is 520/545.
True! But I don't think it would fit under my hood?
Old Mar 2, 2019 | 04:16 AM
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It won’t with a big block but with a small block it will.
Old Mar 4, 2019 | 06:47 PM
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I'm getting excited!

I'll keep everyone posted as updates come in. Mark has been absolutely great during this entire process.
Old Mar 10, 2019 | 06:14 PM
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Some pics to start of the week! I'm starting to get excited.




Old Mar 10, 2019 | 08:41 PM
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Nice...too bad the j&S halo coating sucks. Same on my 403
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Old Mar 19, 2019 | 06:39 AM
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looking forward to the dyno pulls on this one. Good luck with the build.
Old Mar 20, 2019 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsmobiledave
looking forward to the dyno pulls on this one. Good luck with the build.
Thank you.
Old Mar 21, 2019 | 07:00 AM
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+1 on dyno numbers. Cam seems a little conservative. What's the target compression ratio?

Mark, do you machine the caps like Jim advises? My machinist said he had too much movement when cutting down the caps last time he did a halo girdle, so he used ARP washers to get 1-4 to line up with #5. Of course, he made a series of interesting choices (aka mistakes), so who knows on that one. But it hasn't grenaded. Yet.
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+1 on dyno numbers. Cam seems a little conservative. What's the target compression ratio?

Mark, do you machine the caps like Jim advises? My machinist said he had too much movement when cutting down the caps last time he did a halo girdle, so he used ARP washers to get 1-4 to line up with #5. Of course, he made a series of interesting choices (aka mistakes), so who knows on that one. But it hasn't grenaded. Yet.
Compression ratio is 9.8:1.
We spot face the #5 main cap so the halo sits level. Otherwise you lose support by having the washers under the halo imo.
Chris will be posting numbers soon, did reeeeeal well😉 The Tq these little strokers are making is encouraging, we’ll just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by cutlassefi

Compression ratio is 9.8:1.
We spot face the #5 main cap so the halo sits level. Otherwise you lose support by having the washers under the halo imo.
Chris will be posting numbers soon, did reeeeeal well😉 The Tq these little strokers are making is encouraging, we’ll just leave it at that.
Mark, you are the man!
Old Mar 21, 2019 | 07:17 PM
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Hello! A few photos and dyno video below. Scroll to the bottom to see the peak HP/TQ numbers





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsSr...ature=youtu.be

Corrected #'s: 528hp, 580 ft-lbs of tq
Old Mar 22, 2019 | 06:15 AM
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Good god, that's insane out of that cam!
Old Mar 22, 2019 | 06:21 AM
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Very impressive!
Old Mar 22, 2019 | 06:22 AM
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Good god, that's insane out of that cam!
Thank you but I don't agree.
Let’s put it in perspective. In 1970 Oldsmobile made a W 31 350 correct? It was advertised at 330 hp, but I think everyone would agree that 350 was probably a better number. So, add headers, a much better intake, carb, camshaft, cylinder head, and piston, and I think 450 horse power would not be out of the question. Now add 85ci. To me it all makes sense.
Jmo.
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Awesome build. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by oddball
Good god, that's insane out of that cam!
The results definitely exceeded my expectations!

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Very impressive!
Indeed, thanks!

Originally Posted by oldsmobiledave
Awesome build. Enjoy.
Cant wait for it to be installed!
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Nice numbers. You exceeded your expectations Mark! Just a 'lil 'ol small block Olds! That ought to put the smack-down on a new SS, SRT or 5.0.

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That's pretty darn good.
What is the cam's LSA? Didn't see that info.
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That's pretty darn good.
What is the cam's LSA? Didn't see that info.
Thank you. It’s on a 110 LSA, in at 105.
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Very nice indeed, good point about the W31, it was 350 to 360 hp according to our inside sources. This Lunati roller has similar duration numbers, big on a 350, about right with 427 ci and way more lift, nearly .100" and much better head flow.
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Originally Posted by 72GoldOlds350
Hello! A few photos and dyno video below. Scroll to the bottom to see the peak HP/TQ numbers

Corrected #'s: 528hp, 580 ft-lbs of tq
Can I ask what the limiting factor is on the peak RPM of that pull? Heads? Intake? Valvetrain? Camshaft?

That's a nice build regardless.
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Originally Posted by Bubba68CS
Can I ask what the limiting factor is on the peak RPM of that pull? Heads? Intake? Valvetrain? Camshaft?

That's a nice build regardless.
I think you will have to ask the engine builder that question. I'm sure he will respond if he sees this post.



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