When will it end!!!!!!!!
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When will it end!!!!!!!!
Ive been working on a 70 cutlass project now for two years. Im just about ready to fire it up and BANG!!! starter wont turn just clicks. finally new hot wire and it turns
. Crank the car and BANG!!!! no gas at all. replaced two mechanical pumps still no gas
. replaced mechanical pump with a electric holley red pump. installed it, primed it and BANNNNG!!!!!!!! gas leak from a pin hole in a metal line. trimmed it and fixed the leak Jump on the captains seat turn the car and BAAAANGGG!!!! again!!!!!! starter is winding up not engaging the fly wheel at this point everything just feels like a waist of time FML!!!! what the heck could have gone wrong now with the starter??? tried banging on it with a hammer and nothing. all it does is make a horrible loud noise like when you accidentley double start a running car
sorry about the poor spelling Im writing this in complete frustration...... I Feel like selling my car at this point but I havent come this far in my life by being a quiter.....
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Ive been working on a 70 cutlass project now for two years. Im just about ready to fire it up and BANG!!! starter wont turn just clicks. finally new hot wire and it turns. Crank the car and BANG!!!! no gas at all. replaced two mechanical pumps still no gas. replaced mechanical pump with a electric holley red pump. installed it, primed it and BANNNNG!!!!!!!! gas leak from a pin hole in a metal line. trimmed it and fixed the leak Jump on the captains seat turn the car and BAAAANGGG!!!! again!!!!!! starter is winding up not engaging the fly wheel at this point everything just feels like a waist of time FML!!!! what the heck could have gone wrong now with the starter??? tried banging on it with a hammer and nothing. all it does is make a horrible loud noise like when you accidentley double start a running car sorry about the poor spelling Im writing this in complete frustration...... I Feel like selling my car at this point but I havent come this far in my life by being a quiter.....
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When I bought the car it had the same starter in it (No shims) turned with no problems. I had the starter rebuilt. I had a few problems with wiring fixed it and the starter was turning fine. I was having issues with the mechanical fuel pump not pumping gas so i fixed that problem. In the middle process of me swapping to a electric fuel pump the starter just gave out. you think shims could fix it?
The only reason Im questioning shims is that it was working fine then it just started acting up. Im wondering if that would be a common tell tale that I would need to shim my starter???
I got underneath it and had my wife crank it. it seems as the starter drive is not moving at all . Its definetley not engaging the fly wheel either.
Thanks for the help
The only reason Im questioning shims is that it was working fine then it just started acting up. Im wondering if that would be a common tell tale that I would need to shim my starter???
I got underneath it and had my wife crank it. it seems as the starter drive is not moving at all . Its definetley not engaging the fly wheel either.
Thanks for the help
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are the wires to the solenoid on the correct terminals
UOTE=70cutlass831guy;413510]When I bought the car it had the same starter in it (No shims) turned with no problems. I had the starter rebuilt. I had a few problems with wiring fixed it and the starter was turning fine. I was having issues with the mechanical fuel pump not pumping gas so i fixed that problem. In the middle process of me swapping to a electric fuel pump the starter just gave out. you think shims could fix it?
The only reason Im questioning shims is that it was working fine then it just started acting up. Im wondering if that would be a common tell tale that I would need to shim my starter???
I got underneath it and had my wife crank it. it seems as the starter drive is not moving at all . Its definetley not engaging the fly wheel either.
Thanks for the help[/QUOTE]
are the wires to the solenoid on the correct terminals
UOTE=70cutlass831guy;413510]When I bought the car it had the same starter in it (No shims) turned with no problems. I had the starter rebuilt. I had a few problems with wiring fixed it and the starter was turning fine. I was having issues with the mechanical fuel pump not pumping gas so i fixed that problem. In the middle process of me swapping to a electric fuel pump the starter just gave out. you think shims could fix it?
The only reason Im questioning shims is that it was working fine then it just started acting up. Im wondering if that would be a common tell tale that I would need to shim my starter???
I got underneath it and had my wife crank it. it seems as the starter drive is not moving at all . Its definetley not engaging the fly wheel either.
Thanks for the help[/QUOTE]
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Can you be more specific? (SEEMS) like drive not moving at all. Is it or not? Noisy but not engaging the flywheel? Is the starter under warranty ? If so I would replace it or have it gone over again. Most likely like oldcutlass said a bad drive, but if it doesn't engage then it may be a broken throw lever for the drive. If you have been cranking the crap out of it it is probably a bad drive.
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Can you be more specific? (SEEMS) like drive not moving at all. Is it or not? Noisy but not engaging the flywheel? Is the starter under warranty ? If so I would replace it or have it gone over again. Most likely like oldcutlass said a bad drive, but if it doesn't engage then it may be a broken throw lever for the drive. If you have been cranking the crap out of it it is probably a bad drive.
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Also, don't sell your car over a few minor problems.
I replaced everything on mine. Fuel lines, brake lines, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. Just so that I didn't have to worry about the 40 year old things that come with these cars. Oh and yes, there is always something that comes up eventually.
I replaced everything on mine. Fuel lines, brake lines, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. Just so that I didn't have to worry about the 40 year old things that come with these cars. Oh and yes, there is always something that comes up eventually.
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Good idea to change the starter. If it spins but does not engage it is either a shorted solenoid or a broken throw lever or broken drive collar. Let us know how the replacement starter works and what happened to the old starter if you take it apart. My guess is it was over cranked with out time to cool between cranking. With the new starter don't crank for more than 15 seconds and then wait a few minutes before the next attempt to allow some cooling time.
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Mechanical pump is usually mounted in rear, pushes fuel toward pinhole, fuel comes out pinhole.
This is all caused by the same problem (a pinhole in your fuel line). No need to replace parts and re-engineer a perfectly functional system (by installing an electric pump).
The solenoid is obviously pulling in, because the starter is turning, but the same movement of pulling in should make the gear throw out, and it's not, so the connection between the plunger and the gear must be disconnected.
Take the starter apart and see what's wrong with it.
- Eric
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Also, don't sell your car over a few minor problems. I replaced everything on mine. Fuel lines, brake lines, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. Just so that I didn't have to worry about the 40 year old things that come with these cars. Oh and yes, there is always something that comes up eventually.
I replaced everything on mine. Fuel lines, brake lines, wiring harnesses, etc. etc. Just so that I didn't have to worry about the 40 year old things that come with these cars. Oh and yes, there is always something that comes up eventually.. Yeah I just get frustrated somtimes with it but I cant sell my cutlass. Im sure more things will come up. I will take it a problem at a time.
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Good idea to change the starter. If it spins but does not engage it is either a shorted solenoid or a broken throw lever or broken drive collar. Let us know how the replacement starter works and what happened to the old starter if you take it apart. My guess is it was over cranked with out time to cool between cranking. With the new starter don't crank for more than 15 seconds and then wait a few minutes before the next attempt to allow some cooling time.
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Pin hole in metal line on tank-side of pump causes pump to suck air in through line, ergo pump doesn't pump fuel.
Mechanical pump is usually mounted in rear, pushes fuel toward pinhole, fuel comes out pinhole.
This is all caused by the same problem (a pinhole in your fuel line). No need to replace parts and re-engineer a perfectly functional system (by installing an electric pump).
I couldnt find the problem at first so I opted for the easy fix
As stated in posts above, you have a problem with the throw-out mechanism (technically, only F_rds have a Bendix, which is an inertial throw-out).
The solenoid is obviously pulling in, because the starter is turning, but the same movement of pulling in should make the gear throw out, and it's not, so the connection between the plunger and the gear must be disconnected.
Take the starter apart and see what's wrong with it.
I am purchasing a new one and having the rebuilt one inspected.
You're right. It is. I'll take it. When should I pick it up?
hahahaha not giving up..... nice try though..
- Eric
Mechanical pump is usually mounted in rear, pushes fuel toward pinhole, fuel comes out pinhole.
This is all caused by the same problem (a pinhole in your fuel line). No need to replace parts and re-engineer a perfectly functional system (by installing an electric pump).
I couldnt find the problem at first so I opted for the easy fix
As stated in posts above, you have a problem with the throw-out mechanism (technically, only F_rds have a Bendix, which is an inertial throw-out).
The solenoid is obviously pulling in, because the starter is turning, but the same movement of pulling in should make the gear throw out, and it's not, so the connection between the plunger and the gear must be disconnected.
Take the starter apart and see what's wrong with it.
I am purchasing a new one and having the rebuilt one inspected.
You're right. It is. I'll take it. When should I pick it up?
hahahaha not giving up..... nice try though..
- Eric
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UPDATE!!!!!! So after a new starter and fuel pump still no fire up. check for spark, spark is good. Still no fire up. I got fed up sat around for a hour and calmed down. Checked wire and firing order is good. Still no start up. Gas is shooting up through the carb hitting bottom of my hood.. Finally decided to check my timing. pulled spark plug one out cranked starter till piston one was on TDC more or less maybe 4 degress off center. Pulled off cap and rotor was 180 degree off. left motor on TDC 1 pulled distributor set distributor back to proper postion and the motor turned over first crank and ran flawless.
Its been a long two year process but its alive.. I want to thank all you CO guys who helped me out with info.. I topped off all the fluids and took it for its first drive and I have to say it feels a lot better then i imagined in my dreams .....
Its been a long two year process but its alive.. I want to thank all you CO guys who helped me out with info.. I topped off all the fluids and took it for its first drive and I have to say it feels a lot better then i imagined in my dreams .....
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Okay guys, everyone in unison:
It's Always Something Simple!
Glad you got it going!!
- Eric
ps: Don't feel like you're alone - I'm fighting a nasty no-start problem in my '98 BMW, with no trouble codes set, and no obvious faults. This stuff can be maddening.
It's Always Something Simple!
Glad you got it going!!
- Eric
ps: Don't feel like you're alone - I'm fighting a nasty no-start problem in my '98 BMW, with no trouble codes set, and no obvious faults. This stuff can be maddening.
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Thanks and I hope this thread can help others in my situation. What I learned in this Process is to Double then,! Triple check everything and even Quadrupel check..And if that doesnt work set it on FIRE!!! hahahah JK.
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And, to drive home my point, the BMW, which had stopped dead in the middle of an intersection, wouldn't restart, needed to be towed home, made me miss a couple of hours of work, fried a wire in the harness when I tried to swap relays at the side of the road (they're different colors for a reason), required disassembly of the engine harness / relay box assembly (to fix what I destroyed), pulled out the back seat to check the fuel pump, had to buy a fuel pressure gauge to check fuel delivery, generally made a mess out of the whole thing...
Turned out that the rubber connector that holds the MAF sensor to the throttle body was dislodged just a bit (not enough to be obviously off), and the hose clamp that holds it on was quite loose. Only possible explanation is that when I worked on it 6 months ago, I put it on but forgot to tighten the clamp, and it slowly worked its way off.
It would have started right up and driven fine if I'd noticed it when it first stalled out.
So... It's always something simple.
- Eric
Turned out that the rubber connector that holds the MAF sensor to the throttle body was dislodged just a bit (not enough to be obviously off), and the hose clamp that holds it on was quite loose. Only possible explanation is that when I worked on it 6 months ago, I put it on but forgot to tighten the clamp, and it slowly worked its way off.
It would have started right up and driven fine if I'd noticed it when it first stalled out.
So... It's always something simple.
- Eric
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Turned out that the rubber connector that holds the MAF sensor to the throttle body was dislodged just a bit (not enough to be obviously off), and the hose clamp that holds it on was quite loose. Only possible explanation is that when I worked on it 6 months ago, I put it on but forgot to tighten the clamp, and it slowly worked its way off.
It would have started right up and driven fine if I'd noticed it when it first stalled out.
So... It's always something simple.
- Eric[/QUOTE]
WOW that sounds like a nightmare. glad it was able to be fixed. Yeah the simple things...
It would have started right up and driven fine if I'd noticed it when it first stalled out.
So... It's always something simple.
- Eric[/QUOTE]
WOW that sounds like a nightmare. glad it was able to be fixed. Yeah the simple things...
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UPDATE= Had the Cutlass timed and tuned the carb. It runs good but I dont think I was ready for the gas consumption lol. My gas guage does not read correct and left me stranded on the free way lol. That was a fun saturday afternoon (pic below). I also installed new light bezels and light trim (pic below). I will be odering a Repro grill next week and I already have the front bumper. After I get all the parts installed I will start saving for body and paint work. Little by little.
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