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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 03:56 PM
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i have a question, kind of new to this. I had a mechanic tune up my distributor and rebuilt my q-jet. i know he changed the springs that go inside the distributor . he said it was for better rpm in lower speeds. distributor also has a pertronix 3. i noticed that hose from the distributor advance that goes to the carburator he put a screw on hose to plug. is this normal ? he said he has 24 years experiance.. but you know how that goes. i thought you needed the vacuum advance
Old Apr 9, 2011 | 04:06 PM
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Is this a street motor?

If it is, then he's an idiot.

You need vacuum advance in a car that spends most of its life at part-throttle and midrange RPMs. It makes up for the longer burn times in partially-charged cylinders.

You need to figure out what was done and then figure out whether it was done right.
Tell us more about your motor - the usual stuff: displacement, compression, cam specs, valves, porting, etc.
There are people here who are very knowledgeable about building Olds engines and will be able to offer good starting points for your timing.
If your motor is stock, then just compare with the specs in the Chassis Service Manual.

You will need a timing light, a tachometer, a vacuum gauge, and a dwell meter, and probably a hand vacuum pump (easier then sucking on the hose).

There are numerous threads both here and in other forums about properly setting your timing - you should check them out and then ask some questions here.

I never let anyone work on my car.

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Old Apr 9, 2011 | 05:05 PM
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Thats what i should of done from the beginning..My car is a v8 350 4bb cutlass supreme. everything stock except for the pertronix

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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MDchanic
Is this a street motor?

If it is, then he's an idiot.
X2. Vacuum advance provides better fuel economy and low speed driveability. Converting to fully mechanical advance is not a good idea for street-driven cars. Of course, now you need to figure out exactly what was done to the mechanical advance since too much mechanical advance too early will cause part throttle detonation when the vacuum is reconnected.
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 09:40 AM
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how can i check for mechanical advance? i know he changed the springs that are inside the distributors for thicker ones
Old Apr 10, 2011 | 11:08 AM
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First you need to know what the advance is supposed to be.
You can get this information from your Chassis Service Manual (I believe...), and also from old Motor manuals (they've got a lot of great information like this).

Then you run your engine (the vacuum is already disconnected) and map RPM vs degrees advanced from your initial setting. This is easier with an adjustable timing light or a timing tape on the balancer. You compare your advance with what is called for, and use one of those custom distributor advance kits to readjust it to where you want it.

Once you've got it set where it was designed to be, you can play with it and find out whether there are any changes that make it work better, if you want to.

From the way you describe it (no vacuum, heavy springs), it sounds as though he set it up the way you might for racing, where throttle position is usually wide open or close to it, so vacuum advance isn't in play, and he set the centrifugal advance to act through a wider RPM band, which may make things better or worse for you (I'm no expert in this).

Good luck, and if you want any specific advice, you'll need to post more specific information about your engine so the people who ARE experts here can make informed suggestions.

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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 08:26 PM
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I think the reason he didnt connect the vacuum advance is because the canister is bad..instead of buying a new canister .Im thinking of getting an hei distributor from a junk yard.they basically go for the same price. what years are the ones that would work for my car? 1972 cutlass supreme v8 350
Old Apr 11, 2011 | 07:19 AM
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For $20-30 you can get an adjustable one at your local parts store!
Old Apr 11, 2011 | 07:46 AM
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It sounds like you need to cut your loses and take it to a different shop. The first shop obviously just wanted your car out of his hair, not necessarily repaired properly. The vacuum advance does have to be hooked up.
Old Apr 11, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by al714
what years are the ones that would work for my car? 1972 cutlass supreme v8 350
Any HEI for a standard Olds block (not a Ch*vy or a Boo-Ick or a Poncho) should fit (some later ones have a computer plug for a cam sensor), but all will have slightly different timing setups. If you're going to rest it to your own timing settings, that doesn't matter.

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Old Apr 11, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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has anybody heard of these distributors. they said their hei. what do you all think ? http://www.dependonauto.com/distributors.aspx
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