z11375ss

I installed some Edlbrock heads on my 68 small block and found the fuel pump does not fit now. I am in the process of grinding down the head to make it fit. I contacted Holley, Carter, Edelbrock, and Mr. Gasket for help regarding this. Has anyone found this? I was told the heads were for a 455 and hang off the block about an inch, not letting the fuel pump clear. If I run into a water jacket I will have the head welded. Since they're aluminum it is not a problem. I just thought it strange that they could sell the heads that fit my 350 and not have a warning or a solution to the problem. When I called Edelbrock they were like, "We don't know what to tell you".

Warhead

WARNING!!!!!

DO NOT GRIND THE HEAD down,you will go into water jacket before it will fit!
One of the guys on ROP did just that!
Another guy over there made an angle plate, and changed the angle on his pump arm to make it work.
You may also try RobbMC for one of his pumps.
Jim

z11375ss

****! Too late. Now I have to have the head welded which is not a big deal since they're aluminum. I contacted Robbperformance for a solution to my problem. Sent him an e-mail. Am waiting for a reply. Thanks all the same. Jim
Jeremy, thanks for the call.

J-(Chicago)

Sorry my call was too late to save the patient
Here's some pictures of an angled plate that was fabricated to clear the ebrock heads. You will also have to cut,grind and re weld the pump arm to make the angle correct again.

The stock pump would fit if you were using a 455 Small blocks are not as forgiving with those big boxy heads.

Oldsguy

So you purchased and installed Edelbrock aluminum heads designed for a 455 onto a 350? Why? And if the answer is performance then why didn't you just go to an electric fuel pump set up?

The_Jeremiah

I agree, thats what i would have done. None the less its good to get that info out there. I believe in keeping it simple lol

captjim

Just to clarify, the reason the heads hit on a sbo is the deck is taller on the BBO, so the head does not hit. OE heads have a small recess, why Edelbrock did not put this in their head is a mystery to me.

Another issue with E-brocks on a 350 is that with the stock 75 cc chamber, flat tops, and .040 piston to head, Cr is only 9.7, not really enough to get aggressive with the cam, and not enough for all that extra port volume. IMHO.

z11375ss

Well, to answer the question as to why I would put those heads on a small block is that I wanted the Performer package that Edlebrock offered on the motor. The motor was built for me not by me. I have used this setup on two chevys and found the performance was what I expected and was looking for. I expected Edlebrock to make a product that was compatible with my stock fuel pump. I don't think this is too much to ask, do you? There should be a disclaimer or warning or SOMETHING to warn users about this VERY big problem. Like I said when I called them they didn't know what to say.
As far as what will happen now, I plan to grind down the head until we have clearance for the pump. Then we get the head patched up with an aluminum weld. This is the plan and I will report back to tell all what happened. My guy tells me this will not be a problem to fix. He is Mr. Fabrication, building Outlaw cars and running one too. I have confidence he knows what he is doing.
Performance is a funny measure. This car will not be very fast unless compared to other small block oldsmobiles but the fun factor is way up with 400 horses and a 4 speed. Jeremy saw the car, it's realy clean and deserves all the attention it is getting. Wish me luck! P.S. Capn the pistons are larger than stock. I asked for a cr of 10 to 1. Like I said the motor has cost me a decent amount of $ I could've built a chevy and been like a million other guys but I have to do the Olds. Dare to be different.

Oldsguy

I sure commend you for wanting to stay with the Oldsmobile power plant. I can understand your confusion after building a number of Chevrolet engines using the performer package and hoping the same tactic would apply to your Oldsmobile. I didn't know Oldsmobile offered a performer package that included the heads as well, seems weird that they wouldn't specify that the heads were for a 455 right up front. I hope your welder can fix you up. Good luck.

88 coupe

The heads are not part of any “package” and they were not designed for use on a 350.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...bile_rpm.shtml

Edelbrock uses the terms “Performer” “RPM” and “Victor” to define the differences in the “power levels” of their offerings. Any Edelbrock dealer (machine shop) should already know, that because both 455 and 350 parts fall into the same classification, it does not automatically make them compatible.

I would not expect any issues when using a part that was designed for the intended (400/425/455) application.

Not if the heads were designed for use on a 350.

That would be the way I would do it, if I chose to use a mechanical pump, on a 350.

Norm

kaz442

The RobMc pump won't work with the E-brocks. I bought a brand new set of E-brocks from Rob himself because he couldn't have an Olds without one of his pumps. JKaz

Redog

So what about stock C heads on a 350? will this be a problem with them too?

Oldsguy

C heads aren't stock for the Small Block Olds, they are for Big Block Olds.

Rallye469

What's the chamber on a C head...80cc's?
It will take a big bite out compression.

And 10:1 pistons won't give you 10:1 if you changed the heads
from SBO to BBO.

Oldsguy

Yes, 80cc

70oldsW30

My son has been dead set on buying the Edelbrock Performer RPM package that they list for the 350 - 403 olds. This is excellent information to have before he gets into it. Thanks.

I agree that it is a bit misleading to list something that is, by itself, described as being designed for the 400-455 together in a package that is spcifically shown to be for the small block right in there with the intake manifold that can only fit the small block.

gearheads78

I was under the impression that a mechanical pump won't clean on a BBO either. Mine came off a 425 and one has been grinded and welded up.

z11375ss

88. Can you see the confusion with the head cam intake package? I didn't think I was imagining things. They do offer a package for the small block with no warning. I really just assumed they did. That's why I thought it would fit with no problems and give me the performance that I wanted Truly a problem that should be addressed by Edlebrock.

59-59-59

I am not knocking Edelbrock - in fact I think they put out excellent products as i have bought 5 or 6 carbs from them as well as other odds and ends - but the way they list the Performer package is misleading. It basically reads that it is good for 400 - 455 Olds motors. IT IS NOT . I almost got screwed putting this package in an early 425 for my '57 until someone tells me it is the wrong cam and wrong lifters. I thought I was crazy cause 400 -455 ( at least to me ) means 400 through 455. WRONG! The lifters are bigger and the angle of how the pushrods sit are at a different angle compared to later engines. A little clarification on Edelbrocks part could of worked

z11375ss

Anything to do with Oldsmobile has an asterisk attached to it. The parts are more expensive and are limited in application. Sometimes there are hidden problems such as the one we are discussing. I restored a 69 W-30 in 1990. That was when they were not repopping ANYTHING! It was tough but good things come to those who work hard. It turned out beautifully. No thanks to the parts guys. My grills were in about 10 pieces and were glued together to make them good. As you know the grill on a 442 is different than a Cutlass. I had to use it rather than the 10,000 grills I found from Cutlasses. I have owned many chevys and still do, but when I pull in the lot with an under the bumper Ram AIr car people freak. I even had one guy comment on my nicely done "Homemade Ram Air". I told him it was in fact, factory. He looked closer and as they say was "Amazed". LOL

Rallye469

That's crazy...
That listing had no astericks or anything???
I always thought they placed a note next to the heads warning people about using them on SBO's...maybe low sales made them stop that practice.

And the 425 conundrum... well that's always a pit fall. The 39 vs. 45 degree lifter bank angle mixed with .921 & .842 lifters makes those engines tricky to just pick up and start building.

Rallye469

That's crazy...
That listing had no astericks or anything???
I always thought they placed a note next to the heads warning people about using them on SBO's...maybe low sales made them stop that practice.

And the 425 conundrum... well that's always a pit fall. The 39 vs. 45 degree lifter bank angle mixed with .921 & .842 lifters makes those engines tricky to just pick up and start building.

Warhead

They will give you the same compression that a #8 head will.

You may have to deal with the fact they have larger valves, too!

Rallye469

I show 8 heads having 1.875 intake, 1.622 exhaust valves...
seems standard, no?

z11375ss

OK. Today the car ran for the first time since I don't know when. I had the head that was in the way of the fuel pump grinded and welded. No leaks. The car sounds incredible. The cam is lopey but not too much. Very minor things to finish tomorrow. The car drives right now. 4 speed works beautifully. I will post pics asap. From the head grind to the interior with the new shifter. The car looks really tough. The only thing I don't like is the fact that it doesn't look like a stock engine anymore, but what the hey. I'm so excited I feel like a little kid on Christmas eve. LOL! HAPPY FATHER'S DAY (myself included, three daughters, please LORD help me).

citcapp

I put edelbrock heads on my 455 and had to grind an 1/8" notch to clear a stock fuel pump. In my case I did not hit the water jacket. I tried two different brands of fuel pump and had the same problem with both. I have not contacted edelbrock yet but I am going to I thought it was strange because the fuel pump did not hit the G heads that came with the engine, they are shorter in that area.

z11375ss

Before and after. The car will haze the tires in first from a roll. No clutch dump! What a blast!
By z16375ss, shot with Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XTi at 2008-05-08