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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:57 PM
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Building a Small block

I looking to get some advice and ideas, on building a small block olds. It's a 350, that came out of a 79 Regency. I dont have a body yet, but that's the fun part. I get to look for one !!!!!! In the mean time, i want to build my engine. I'm looking to get low 400's hp, yet be bullet proof. It would mainly be driven in street, some strip. I really appreciate everyones oppinion.....
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Old July 11th, 2008, 04:42 AM
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Finding a good machine shop that you can trust would be a smart first step. Shop around and ask questions, find out if they have rebuilt Oldsmobile engines before, get referrals. If you are looking for particular build formulas i.e. cam specs, type of parts, brands to use, etc, you might want to go here and read what they have on engine builds. It is extensive and covers the gamut from almost stock to super wild strip only versions. Lots of ideas and opinions over there and they are truly about RealOldsPower (ROP). Finally, we have quite a few very knowledge able engine builders here that can help you as well, and they probably will comment later. Good luck.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 08:15 AM
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IMO, if you are serious about getting 400+ HP, you should start with a better engine. The heads on an early 350 flow better to start and have a smaller chamber yielding a better Cr. And, you get a solid web instead of a windowed one. Money-wise, you will be way ahead of the game in the long run, even if you spend a couple of hundred for the core. Again, IMHO.
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I agree.

The 395558 block is a stonger base due to no windowed mains
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Old July 11th, 2008, 11:17 AM
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Ok, i see what you guys mean. So would it be cheaper to go with a big block olds in the long run?

Thanx for the advice Oldsguy. I have read a few post on hear, and get that olds and chevy blocks are different and need to be worked of differently as well.
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I did not say big block, though that is an option. I was referring to an older Olds 350. The older blocks are stronger, as they are solid in the webbing. Also, the older 350 heads flow better to start (though either way you will need to spend some $ to get over 400 HP out of these) and have a smaller combustion chamber.

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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:48 PM
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Ok, i see what your saying CaptnJim. Thanx for all the advice!!!!!
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Old July 11th, 2008, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Oldsguy
Finding a good machine shop that you can trust would be a smart first step ........
Bernard Mondello Racing Enterprises
1520 Commerce St Ste A
Corona, CA 92880
Phone: (951) 371-1432

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Thanks, 88coupe!!!!
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Old July 11th, 2008, 04:55 PM
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Hey 88Coupe, i just called them to see if they had a website. They dont, but what was weird, is that they dont do any olds building. they havent for the last 15yrs..
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Mondello, no Olds? That's news to me. I was thinking about ordering a 455 for next year. Their site is up and cool too. Look under Mondello racing maybe.
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Try this link

http://www.mondellotwister.com/index.htm
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Well, may not be the same Mondello, there is a Governor or maybe Attorney Generel in Vermont (I think) that has my last name (or do I have his?). Don't think we are related.
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74 Omega is right, it's the wrong modello. Who would of known 2 modellos in one state , lol....
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Old July 12th, 2008, 01:00 PM
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Where are you I have a couple early 350's with 7a heads that need a new home. Would be much better to build a hot motor out of.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lue
........ i just called them to see if they had a website ........
Not the best way to introduce yourself to a machinist. Especially one who does not (the reason I did not post a link) have one.

Originally Posted by Lue
........ what was weird, is that they dont do any olds building ........
Nothing weird about his customer base drying up.

I only saw two Oldsmobiles (H/O GUY and John Contraras) at the last Pomona Goodguys.

Originally Posted by Lue
........ they havent for the last 15yrs.
I didn't realize, it's probably been 20 since I last talked to him.

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........ I was thinking about ordering a 455 for next year ........
I will assume you are joking.

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Well, may not be the same Mondello ........
Bernard is Joe's Son. He grew up learning from his Dad, then opened his own engine shop in the eighties.

Totally different business, totally different philosophy.

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Finding a good machine shop ........
Another one (without a website) that can handle an Oldsmobile:

Dougan's Engine & Machine
9072 Limonite Ave
Riverside, CA , 92509-5035
Phone: 951-681-1961

Ask, what might be the best time for you to tour the shop area. It will be enlightening.

After the tour, you can tell them what you want, then they can tell you, what it will take to make it happen.

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No kidding. I am really thinking about it. I dealt with Joe in 1991 so I know the details.
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Originally Posted by z11375ss
........ I dealt with Joe in 1991 ........
Wasn't he still here, in Los Angeles, at that time?

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........ so I know the details.
Do you know that you will not be dealing with Joe?

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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:38 PM
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More helpful info from 88 toupe!!!
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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:57 PM
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400hp is pretty easy from a SBO.

look up Edelbrock's total power power package.

Odd though, they claim those numbers with thier heads which are modeled after "C" heads. 77cc heads instead of the 64cc heads yield more power? It would drop the CR too much IMO
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I have the so called Edelbrock total power package in my car. Yes, it's supposed to yield somewhere around 400 horse. Beware of using their heads. I ran into a ton of problems with the fuel pump and mounting brackets. Finally up and running though. Look for my post Fix for Edelbrock Clearance problem and posts related to it. Those heads are a real pain. I didn't discover any problems until the motor was built and in the car.
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Originally Posted by z11375ss
More helpful info ........
Thanks.

I'm glad my update was helpful.

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Originally Posted by Redog
........ look up Edelbrock's total power power package ........
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_...kage-00126.pdf

Originally Posted by Redog
........ they claim those numbers with their heads ........
For Olds? Where?

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Old July 30th, 2008, 06:17 PM
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Damn this ignore thing is awesome.
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