power steering brackets
#5
Hi Jim
Here's a series of pictures. Let me know if you have any questions or if anything is unclear. John
These first ones are an overview of the brackets attached to the power steering pump.
P1010043.jpg
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P1010046.jpg
P1010047.jpg
Now here's some pictures of where it attaches to the motor. There is a spacer on the timing cover bolt, and I think (someone else will have to confirm/clarifly this) that there's another spacer on the place where it attaches to the side of the motor block. Down low near the oil pan and toward the motor mount.
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P1010067-1.jpg
P1010064.jpg
P1010066.jpg
P1010058.jpg
P1010051.jpg
P1010059.jpg
P1010057.jpg
P1010001-1.jpg
Oops! I know I have a spider problem but didn't realize the cobwebs were so bad down the side of the block!
Here's a series of pictures. Let me know if you have any questions or if anything is unclear. John
These first ones are an overview of the brackets attached to the power steering pump.
P1010043.jpg
P1010044.jpg
P1010045.jpg
P1010046.jpg
P1010047.jpg
Now here's some pictures of where it attaches to the motor. There is a spacer on the timing cover bolt, and I think (someone else will have to confirm/clarifly this) that there's another spacer on the place where it attaches to the side of the motor block. Down low near the oil pan and toward the motor mount.
P1010063.jpg
P1010067-1.jpg
P1010064.jpg
P1010066.jpg
P1010058.jpg
P1010051.jpg
P1010059.jpg
P1010057.jpg
P1010001-1.jpg
Oops! I know I have a spider problem but didn't realize the cobwebs were so bad down the side of the block!
#6
Wow, John! Great set of pics!
Now, picking up from other threads, am I correct that the small, narrow bracket that goes back horizontally to the exhaust manifold is replaced by one of the alternator brackets in smallblock cars with A/C (alternator on the left), but NOT in bigblock cars with A/C, where the alternator bracket is independent of the P/S pump? Or am I still confused? I ask because junkyard scrounges like me have to pick from what we find, and one hates to grab the wrong stuff on a run to a distant yard.
- Eric
Now, picking up from other threads, am I correct that the small, narrow bracket that goes back horizontally to the exhaust manifold is replaced by one of the alternator brackets in smallblock cars with A/C (alternator on the left), but NOT in bigblock cars with A/C, where the alternator bracket is independent of the P/S pump? Or am I still confused? I ask because junkyard scrounges like me have to pick from what we find, and one hates to grab the wrong stuff on a run to a distant yard.
- Eric
#8
#9
The best thing you can do (other than contacting John ) is to buy an assembly manual for your year. I just installed the accessories on my engine after a rebuild and the assembly manual is invaluable. It showed that I needed a spacer in the same lower spot that has been pointed out and so I put one there. Great tool. Probably pick one up at Fusicks, Supercars Unltd, OPGI, Brothers and any other Oldsmobile supplier or literature seller.
#12
Call Jim @
Classic Olds
(336) 766-7845
I was looking at these yesterday. He has them is stock along with all new hardware if you need it. The spacers are 2 different diameters and lengths. I don't know the sizes/lengths, but they look like nice pieces.
Classic Olds
(336) 766-7845
I was looking at these yesterday. He has them is stock along with all new hardware if you need it. The spacers are 2 different diameters and lengths. I don't know the sizes/lengths, but they look like nice pieces.
#13
I found the measurements for them at rop.
The bigger one at the bottom of the block-It measures just slightly larger than 7/16" ID (to accept a 7/16"bolt with some play), slightly larger than 3/4" OD and I measured a little less than 13/32" long, or 0.406,
The thin spacer by the lower water pump mount measures slightly larger than 3/8" ID (to accept the 3/8" stud used there with some play) and 9/16" OD and 9/16" length.
The bigger one at the bottom of the block-It measures just slightly larger than 7/16" ID (to accept a 7/16"bolt with some play), slightly larger than 3/4" OD and I measured a little less than 13/32" long, or 0.406,
The thin spacer by the lower water pump mount measures slightly larger than 3/8" ID (to accept the 3/8" stud used there with some play) and 9/16" OD and 9/16" length.
#15
Hi Jim
Here's a series of pictures. Let me know if you have any questions or if anything is unclear. John
These first ones are an overview of the brackets attached to the power steering pump.
Now here's some pictures of where it attaches to the motor. There is a spacer on the timing cover bolt, and I think (someone else will have to confirm/clarifly this) that there's another spacer on the place where it attaches to the side of the motor block. Down low near the oil pan and toward the motor mount.
Oops! I know I have a spider problem but didn't realize the cobwebs were so bad down the side of the block!
Here's a series of pictures. Let me know if you have any questions or if anything is unclear. John
These first ones are an overview of the brackets attached to the power steering pump.
Now here's some pictures of where it attaches to the motor. There is a spacer on the timing cover bolt, and I think (someone else will have to confirm/clarifly this) that there's another spacer on the place where it attaches to the side of the motor block. Down low near the oil pan and toward the motor mount.
Oops! I know I have a spider problem but didn't realize the cobwebs were so bad down the side of the block!
Thanks,
Neil
#16
Personally, I find it easier to simply pull the pump with the brackets and disassemble/reassemble on the bench.
#17
Not really. At a minimum you need to remove the pulley and the front bracket to get the pump off. There are two bolts from the front bracket to the pump body that are under the pulley and a third bolt under the pump that holds the front bracket to the bottom bracket. Finally, there is a nut on a stud on the back of the pump that holds the pump to the bottom bracket. This stud prevents the pump from simply being pulled out of the brackets on the engine.
Personally, I find it easier to simply pull the pump with the brackets and disassemble/reassemble on the bench.
Personally, I find it easier to simply pull the pump with the brackets and disassemble/reassemble on the bench.
Neil
#18
Older cars typically don't have the holes, and the pulley can be either pressed on or held on with a nut, depending on the age of the pump. If there's no nut on the shaft, it's a press-on.
#19
If there IS a nut holding the keyed pulley on, then it is hard to remove w/o damage or bending. If you touch it with a tool, like a pry or puller tool, you will ruin the pulley. Gloved hands only. I have written that procedure, which took me a few pulleys to develop....
Yes, you really need to pull the PS pump with all its brackets as an assembly. It's not that bad after you have done 1 or 2.
One thing Joe forgot to mention- there is a thick washer- same PN as intake / xst bolt washers- between pump body and fwd bracket, on the inboard bolt which resides under the pulley. Easy to lose or overlook.
Consult the Assembly Manual via paper copy or WildAboutCars.com for all the gory details.
Yes, you really need to pull the PS pump with all its brackets as an assembly. It's not that bad after you have done 1 or 2.
One thing Joe forgot to mention- there is a thick washer- same PN as intake / xst bolt washers- between pump body and fwd bracket, on the inboard bolt which resides under the pulley. Easy to lose or overlook.
Consult the Assembly Manual via paper copy or WildAboutCars.com for all the gory details.
Last edited by Octania; April 13th, 2013 at 01:51 PM.
#20
If there IS a not holding the keyed pulley on, then it is hard to remove w/o damage or bending. If you touch it with a tool, like a pry or puller tool, you will ruin the pulley. Gloved hands only. I have written that procedure, which took me a few pulleys to develop....
Yes, you really need to pull the PS pump with all its brackets as an assembly. It's not that bad after you have done 1 or 2.
One thing Joe forgot to mention- there is a thick washer- same PN as intake / xst bolt washers- between pump body and fwd bracket, on the inboard bolt which resides under the pulley. Easy to lose or overlook.
Consult the Assembly Manual via paper copy or WildAboutCars.com for all the gory details.
Yes, you really need to pull the PS pump with all its brackets as an assembly. It's not that bad after you have done 1 or 2.
One thing Joe forgot to mention- there is a thick washer- same PN as intake / xst bolt washers- between pump body and fwd bracket, on the inboard bolt which resides under the pulley. Easy to lose or overlook.
Consult the Assembly Manual via paper copy or WildAboutCars.com for all the gory details.
Thanks,
Neil
#21
So is the power steering pump physically different for a BBC than a SBC? Reason I ask is that I'm currently looking for a power steering pump for my 68' 350 SB non-AC and the original does not resemble the one posted in this thread. Please see the pictures I've attached. My pump had a press-on style 2-groove pulley with the 3 holes in it (for AC cars).
The pulley & bracket set-up on my car was a mix-n-match mess that included parts for AC and non-AC so I've been finding and purchasing the correct parts for my set-up.
Does anyone know where I can find a new P.S. pump? It needs to have the keyed shaft to accept my new & correct single groove pulley
Thanks guys.
The pulley & bracket set-up on my car was a mix-n-match mess that included parts for AC and non-AC so I've been finding and purchasing the correct parts for my set-up.
Does anyone know where I can find a new P.S. pump? It needs to have the keyed shaft to accept my new & correct single groove pulley
Thanks guys.
#22
So is the power steering pump physically different for a BBC than a SBC? Reason I ask is that I'm currently looking for a power steering pump for my 68' 350 SB non-AC and the original does not resemble the one posted in this thread. Please see the pictures I've attached. My pump had a press-on style 2-groove pulley with the 3 holes in it (for AC cars).
#23
I assume you mean BBO/SBO, not BBC/SBC. In any case, the Saginaw pumps are made of two parts, the cast iron pump and the stamped sheet metal reservoir. All the pump bodies interchange. There are a number of different reservoirs, depending on application. You can swap the reservoir from one pump to another, in fact you can easily buy a rebuilt pump body without reservoir from any auto parts store and just put your reservoir on it.
#25
#27
Well, you could start by scrolling up and reading this thread. Failing that, you could post a Parts Wanted ad. It will help if you also let us know what year and body this is going into, and does it have A/C or not.
#28
power steering pump rear straight bracket
Anyone know what im talking about lol. Its on the back of my pump and goes up to the head. Basically a piece of metal with 2 holes. I cant find it on line anywhere. I can have a buddy make it but looking for one just to buy.
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