Testing another new product

Old Nov 19, 2022 | 05:28 AM
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Testing another new product

This time it’s a new Hyd roller lifter.
As the industry moves away from flat tappets, you can’t have too many manufacturers making Olds/Pontiac Hyd roller lifters. Theses are made from both domestic and overseas parts so we’ll see how they do in a thorough test. I have another roller build in line or I may run them in my small block mule. Either way I’ll let you know the results.
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Old Nov 19, 2022 | 08:03 AM
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Do you have a side view of the lifters ?
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
This time it’s a new Hyd roller lifter.
As the industry moves away from flat tappets, you can’t have too many manufacturers making Olds/Pontiac Hyd roller lifters. Theses are made from both domestic and overseas parts so we’ll see how they do in a thorough test. I have another roller build in line or I may run them in my small block mule. Either way I’ll let you know the results.
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Have these been approved by Vortecpro? I bet he's got something better,right? LOL
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
Have these been approved by Vortecpro? I bet he's got something better,right? LOL
OMG you’re right, let me get right on that!!😎
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 02:38 PM
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Those for roller cams only or hydraulicflat tappet replacement?
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 03:26 PM
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Mark, how did you like them? Eddy/Comp HCT lifter?? Got a set coming for a 525 BBc.
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Those for roller cams only or hydraulicflat tappet replacement?
Roller lifters are for roller cams only etc, you can’t switch them.
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by New2oldsw30
Mark, how did you like them? Eddy/Comp HCT lifter?? Got a set coming for a 525 BBc.
Do you mean the new Evolution lifter from Comp?
Old Nov 19, 2022 | 09:16 PM
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.842's? Any source/availability for .921's?
Old Nov 20, 2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
Have these been approved by Vortecpro? I bet he's got something better,right? LOL
I've been using the new Johnson short travel lifters on the Chevy's lately with good luck. I haven't used this lifter above so I can't approve it.
Old Nov 20, 2022 | 08:40 AM
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Have heard about reaming .921 blocks to .937 to use solid rollers of that diameter; any .937 hydraulic rollers out there that can be used in our '66 & '67 .921 blocks?
Old Nov 20, 2022 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Do you mean the new Evolution lifter from Comp?
Yes the new Comp AND Edelbrocks are one and the same. Fully rebuildable and can swap out the hyd unit for new one as well
Old Nov 20, 2022 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by VORTECPRO
I've been using the new Johnson short travel lifters on the Chevy's lately with good luck. I haven't used this lifter above so I can't approve it.
It was a joke dude. But you just had to mention "Chevy". I'm wondering, can you go a day or so without saying that word? Curious, that's all.
Old Nov 20, 2022 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 67OAI
Have heard about reaming .921 blocks to .937 to use solid rollers of that diameter; any .937 hydraulic rollers out there that can be used in our '66 & '67 .921 blocks?
Not a link bar style. not enough demand. Sorry.
Old Nov 29, 2022 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 67OAI
Have heard about reaming .921 blocks to .937 to use solid rollers of that diameter; any .937 hydraulic rollers out there that can be used in our '66 & '67 .921 blocks?
bush them down to .904 for Chrysler options
Old Nov 29, 2022 | 11:31 AM
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bush them down to .904 for Chrysler options
I don't think an .008" wall bushing would work, for very long.
Old Dec 2, 2022 | 05:42 PM
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Any idea if retro fit to a 67 toro 425 block? I would love a roller cam. Haven’t seen anything for my build.
Old Dec 2, 2022 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
I don't think an .008" wall bushing would work, for very long.
thats because you don’t do it like that.

min wall has to be .031 which means an Olds .921 needs be honed out or reamed .045” over

there are a few company’s that make .904” ID bushings with the needed OD
Old Dec 2, 2022 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
thats because you don’t do it like that.

min wall has to be .031 which means an Olds .921 needs be honed out or reamed .045” over

there are a few company’s that make .904” ID bushings with the needed OD
Why not bush them back to .842" ? (.921 - .842" = .079" /2 = .0395" wall bushing) The smaller diameter lifters would be lighter.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 03:40 AM
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The whole point in going to a larger lifter is getting a wider wheel.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
The whole point in going to a larger lifter is getting a wider wheel.
Actually a larger DIAMETER wheel but you’re on the right track.
I should have these in something in the next couple of weeks.
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Old Dec 3, 2022 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by New2oldsw30
Yes the new Comp AND Edelbrocks are one and the same. Fully rebuildable and can swap out the hyd unit for new one as well
So Mark, is this the new HCT lifter?????
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by new2oldsw30
so mark, is this the new hct lifter?????
hct?
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
hct?
Hydraulic Cartage Technology is the new Edlebrock?Comp lifter with the removable cartage as seen in the first picture held in with a C-clip.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by New2oldsw30
Hydraulic Cartage Technology is the new Edlebrock?Comp lifter with the removable cartage as seen in the first picture held in with a C-clip.
Right ok.
No this is from another manufacturer. I’ve already used a few sets of the new Comp lifter, seems to work fine.
However the solid cartridge won’t be out until next year. They’re still working on supply of the current Hyd version.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Actually a larger DIAMETER wheel but you’re on the right track.
I should have these in something in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks.
Are these lifters different in weight ?
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 12:08 PM
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The .921 lifters are ideal for flat tappet use because of the larger diameter and you can be more aggresive with the cam. With the hydraulic rollers it's not that advantageous.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. The .921 lifters are ideal for flat tappet use because of the larger diameter and you can be more aggresive with the cam. With the hydraulic rollers it's not that advantageous.
Hmmm kind of. Yes the .921 is the best of the flat tappet family. BUT there are lots of roller profiles that are just as aggressive or even more so.
Old Dec 3, 2022 | 02:50 PM
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Hmmm kind of. Yes the .921 is the best of the flat tappet family. BUT there are lots of roller profiles that are just as aggressive or even more so.
I'm pretty sure that's what I said,.921 is good for flat tappet use. I'm sure there's great roller profiles too.
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It's really irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
Why not bush them back to .842" ? (.921 - .842" = .079" /2 = .0395" wall bushing) The smaller diameter lifters would be lighter.
or an .875”

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Old Dec 3, 2022 | 11:06 PM
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Hmmm kind of. Yes the .921 is the best of the flat tappet family. BUT there are lots of roller profiles that are just as aggressive or even more so.

No roller , even with the biggest wheel available, can accelerate the lifter as fast as a big dia flat tappet…it’s just not possible. The side loading on the wheel would self destruct it.

the crossover point is somewhere around .175” to .200” tappet lift where it’s possible for a big wheel roller to take over .

the wheel diameter on a roller would have to be something like 4 feet in diameter to allow a roller lobe to smack the wheel with the same dynamics to accelerate the lifter like a big diameter flat tappet.
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
I'm pretty sure that's what I said,.921 is good for flat tappet use. I'm sure there's great roller profiles too.
I wonder why Olds didn’t take advantage of their .921” lifter?

No Olds cam needed that diameter..all could be used with .842”


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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
thats because you don’t do it like that.

min wall has to be .031 which means an Olds .921 needs be honed out or reamed .045” over

there are a few company’s that make .904” ID bushings with the needed OD
Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
Why not bush them back to .842" ? (.921 - .842" = .079" /2 = .0395" wall bushing) The smaller diameter lifters would be lighter.
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or an .875”

your turn
(.921 - .875" = .046" /2 = .023" wall bushing)
Old Dec 4, 2022 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
(.921 - .875" = .046" /2 = .023" wall bushing)
There are pros and cons to larger lifters. Obviously a smaller diameter lifter could be lighter, but you can also use a larger wheel with a larger diameter lifter which slows down the wheel speed as well and give a degree or two more effective duration.
I have two DX builds upcoming. We just reamed them to use the .937 solid roller offered by Isky, BAM, and others. We’ll see how it does but I expect good results.
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Originally Posted by OLDSter Ralph
(.921 - .875" = .046" /2 = .023" wall bushing)
I never said the OD was .921” on that.

no matter what the ID is, min wall has to be .031”

lets do a test to see if you understand. If the lifter ID is .xxx, what is the min OD? 😁
Old Dec 4, 2022 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
This time it’s a new Hyd roller lifter.
As the industry moves away from flat tappets, you can’t have too many manufacturers making Olds/Pontiac Hyd roller lifters. Theses are made from both domestic and overseas parts so we’ll see how they do in a thorough test. I have another roller build in line or I may run them in my small block mule. Either way I’ll let you know the results.
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whats the max spring pressure they can handle?
Old Dec 4, 2022 | 05:50 AM
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whats the max spring pressure they can handle?
Recommended is 160ish seat, 400-425 open.
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Originally Posted by CANADIANOLDS
I wonder why Olds didn’t take advantage of their .921” lifter?

No Olds cam needed that diameter..all could be used with .842”
I wish I knew why Olds did a lot of different things. I've never understood why they used 39* & 45* blocks. They used both during the same model year run some years. As far as the .921 lifter goes maybe they were planning on using some better cams but never did. According to some it's irrelevant but it sure helps a guy who wants to run a very aggresive cam.
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Recommended is 160ish seat, 400-425 open.
That’s decent. When will they be ready?

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