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Old April 29th, 2021 | 04:18 PM
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The Round 2 468


So. After dropping off the crank,rods,and halo in November, I finally got proof of life that it's coming back together.
Got some new valve covers from Fusick

Old April 29th, 2021 | 04:36 PM
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Oh, I guess you want specs? Here's what's up
455 F block 060 over
4.24" offset ground 425 crank
J&S Machine 5 main halo
7.2 BME forged aluminum rods
CP Bullets for a 496. 4.185 bore
off the shelf Travato grind 491/510 236/242 hydraulic roller
Morel roller lifters
.. ...AND, there will be a non--EGR Torker, last installed in the 80s, pushing a 70S to low 12s, that will get cleaned up and used for the build

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Old April 29th, 2021 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
off the shelf Travato grind 410/591 236/242 hydraulic roller
Is that 410 a typo, or is the intake that much shorter than the exhaust?
Old April 29th, 2021 | 05:07 PM
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Yes, yes, it was a Dickleksick moment; I fixed it to 491/510...

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Old May 1st, 2021 | 03:39 AM
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What is the LSA on that cam ?
Old May 1st, 2021 | 06:57 PM
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Old May 1st, 2021 | 09:29 PM
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I am confused......

Why are you using Aluminum Long Rods and the 496 spec piston with a very small lift Hyd. Roller cam for a built engine?

What heads are you going with?

Power and E.T. goals?

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Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:14 AM
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63cc Edelbrocks with 2.15 intakes. The cam was spec'ed by Travato based on compression and displacement.

It pulled 116mph in the 1/4 before. Yes, it's an odd duck, but just a street car on pump gas.

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Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Battenrunner
I am confused......

Why are you using Aluminum Long Rods and the 496 spec piston with a very small lift Hyd. Roller cam for a built engine?

What heads are you going with?

Power and E.T. goals?
I wondered the same thing "cam"? Those new 1.7 rockers EFI's selling could be of help here on the intake.

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Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
63cc Edelbrocks with 2.15 intakes. The cam was spec'ed by Travato based on compression and displacement.

It pulled 116mph in the 1/4 before. Yes, it's an odd duck, but just a street car on pump gas.
Those are more like “Thump’r” lobes. Then at the very least I’d throw 1.7 rockers on it. I don’t care what Bill says, even with stock Edelbrocks you’re leaving HP on the table.
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Oh? How much, ya think?
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 12:14 PM
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Oh? How much, ya think?
Maybe 10 or so. At this point it’s just a band aid to be honest. That cam is NOT the best grind for your application. Again I don’t care what Bill says. You have a decent cyl head, use it.
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 04:31 PM
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I'm not dropping another $400 for 10hp. I don't have a dyno queen; I drive it- A LOT. The heads had about 20k on them, with the last 12k on a hydraulic roller. The valve breaking was not exactly expected, but it's not a huge surprise, either. Bill's quote was "I got a grind with wicked throttle response" , and it does. Having a 4 speed makes it that much more fun.I still can't drive it well enough to match the theoretical ET potential; that's the carrot on the stick. Bottom line: it's against the "rules", it revs quick, and I don't need race gas. I have no complaints.
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:18 PM
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Build it and enjoy it. The " Engine Gods" don't have to dictate your build.
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:20 PM
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1320/116=11.37 Maryland has the right air to make power.
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Maybe 10 or so. At this point it’s just a band aid to be honest. That cam is NOT the best grind for your application. Again I don’t care what Bill says. You have a decent cyl head, use it.
Bill likes to sell parts he has laying around.
Old May 2nd, 2021 | 06:02 PM
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Still talking about 10hp....
Old May 3rd, 2021 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
Still talking about 10hp....
I hear ya, I get it. My focus was more on maximizing your combination, that’s all.
And just an FYI, throttle response has a lot more to do with than just the cam, compression ratio, rotating assembly, intake, carb/tune. Again just an FYI.
Best of luck, I’m sure you’ll reach your goals, they’re very realistic.
Old May 3rd, 2021 | 09:38 PM
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That 10HP you keep posting really depends on how the OP heads flows from .490-.600, on a well done head thats a big increase in CFM. Looking at my Edelbrock flow numbers it could be 10 HP on a unmodified head, 6 CFM from .500-.600. Ported thats a different story.
Old May 3rd, 2021 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fleming442
I'm not dropping another $400 for 10hp. I don't have a dyno queen; I drive it- A LOT. The heads had about 20k on them, with the last 12k on a hydraulic roller. The valve breaking was not exactly expected, but it's not a huge surprise, either. Bill's quote was "I got a grind with wicked throttle response" , and it does. Having a 4 speed makes it that much more fun.I still can't drive it well enough to match the theoretical ET potential; that's the carrot on the stick. Bottom line: it's against the "rules", it revs quick, and I don't need race gas. I have no complaints.

What brand of valve were/are you using and what is the spring pressure on the seat?

Are you replacing all the valves with another brand of better quality/customs or just replacing the one valve that broke with the same brand and type as before?


Old May 4th, 2021 | 06:08 PM
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The valve, and corresponding springs that floated repeatedly, were 2002ish stock Edelbrocks that came with the heads. They've been "gone through"/inspected twice since purchased. The "new" heads have new intake valves, minimum, because 2.15. The new springs are "leftovers" spec'ed by Travato for his cam. They're probably PAC, but I didn't interrogate him for a part number, either.
if it were 50-100hp, I might reconsider my life decisions, but I'm not gonna sweat 10 that I can't drive now.

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Old May 11th, 2021 | 05:24 PM
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Got these today. Thanks, Mark
Old July 11th, 2021 | 04:36 PM
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So, it became a game of compromises; the valve springs needed 230 to work, then the studs were short along with everything else. Long story short: I got a Holley Street Dominator, 2" rocker studs, 10" push rods, solid BAMs on a hydraulic core, all because nobody makes a 2.15 intake valve for Olds. I was really depressed that no one thought it would crack 600hp. We'll see, but she gonna be badass.
Old July 11th, 2021 | 05:16 PM
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599 crankshaft HP @ 3800 pounds = 127 MPH
1320/127=10.39 ET
I assume you race @ MIR so theres the negative DA which will help you.
Old July 11th, 2021 | 06:48 PM
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Old July 12th, 2021 | 09:10 AM
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MIR is 2.5 hrs away. I usually run Mason-Dixon, but 75-80 is supposed to reopen this weekend and that's only 15 minutes.
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You might want to consider making the drive to MIR.
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