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I am looking for a dash gear indicator lense for a 1967 442 with the 3-speed TH400 automatic transmission. The lense should look like the following: Park R N D S L. If you have one you could part with for a reasonable price, or might know someone who does, please contact me.
Thanks
Well aren't you a bundle of joy! Just kidding! Yes, I do realize it's a one model year part, with the 1967 442 being the 1st model year for the TH400, and then the model/dash change in the 68's. I have not done the research to find out how many 1967 442's were built with the column shift TH400, but I'm sure it wasn't many. I was just hoping some Reproduction Shop might offer one. Can't blame a guy for trying. Thanks for the response!
Lookin to determin correct crankcase breather for auto tranz 67 442...atm our choices are 3 louvers around circumference , or 4 lineal front to back
Any assistance greatly apreciated
Thanks
Last edited by rocketscientis; May 28th, 2020 at 12:56 AM.
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Rocketscientis,
I started this thread, and I have to tell you I am no expert on 1967 Olds models with the 3-speed TH400 automatic transmissions. I would suggest starting a new thread with a title that reflects your actual question and you will probably have much more success at getting the true experts on this site to weigh in. Good luck!
Well aren't you a bundle of joy! Just kidding! Yes, I do realize it's a one model year part, with the 1967 442 being the 1st model year for the TH400, and then the model/dash change in the 68's. I have not done the research to find out how many 1967 442's were built with the column shift TH400, but I'm sure it wasn't many. I was just hoping some Reproduction Shop might offer one. Can't blame a guy for trying. Thanks for the response!
This lens was also used in 67 Vista Cruisers with the 400 trans.
66 - 3x2 442,
Thanks for the RSVP. Thru other guys on the 442 forum I was made aware the Vista Cruisers with the TH400 had the same part. Haven't searched any salvage yards yet to see if I can find one. I have found a couple from private individuals on this forum, but they were asking more than I really wanted to pay for one. Thanks again for the response!
To '69442ragtop,
Thanks for the RSVP. After discussing this topic with multiple 442 forum site members, I believe the Vista Cruiser was the only other Olds model in 1967 to be optioned with the TH400 tranny. If I am wrong I hope someone will correct me, the more options for finding one the better! Thanks again.
To '69442ragtop,
Thanks for the RSVP. .......................I believe the Vista Cruiser was the only other Olds model in 1967 to be optioned with the TH400 tranny. If I am wrong I hope someone will correct me............
It wasn't that the V/C was the only one with the T-400; it was the only one with the same instrument panel. All big cars had the T-400 available and it was mandatory on the 425 engines.
I know instrument transparencies that have 0-120 on em are diffrent on rally pac dashes & m/t cars have no hole but outline there...is part of indtrument cover....will hav 2 look...hav u asked don roth ??
Reply to Rocketscientis,
I am assuming you are asking if I have asked Ron Roth, not Don Roth as stated in your post. I have communicated with Ron Roth and he only has 1 right now and really doesn't want to part with it. Thanks for the info though. I'm still looking and may even try to fabricate one myself.
Reply to Rocketscientis,
I am assuming you are asking if I have asked Ron Roth, not Don Roth as stated in your post. I have communicated with Ron Roth and he only has 1 right now and really doesn't want to part with it. Thanks for the info though. I'm still looking and may even try to fabricate one myself.
I believe you said there were a couple here but were too much. May I ask what do you think is a fair price for said quadrant?
66-3x2 442,
I have communicated with 3 guys on this site that have the part I need. Before I started this thread I had absolutely no idea about the rarity of the gear indicator lens I'm looking for, or what a "reasonable price" might be. What I said earlier in this thread, is that I don't know if what guys are asking for these lens is worth it to me. Guys are asking between $100 - $200 for the lens, depending on the quality and cost of shipping. Based on what I have learned, I have no reason to believe that any of them is trying to take advantage of me or asking a price that is outrageous. I think it's just a case of supply and demand, the part is fairly rare and not easy to find. What I'm wrestling with in my mind is, is if I really want to pay that much for a minor part, that really only I will see, to go on my car that will never be a high end show car? Hope this explains where I'm coming from.
Mostly from my back yard...seems like print shop could make 1 for you & 10 for others & yours would be free & th $200 unit would get nice coat of dust on th shelf...
if ya want I can look & fair chance of havin one & one of over thirty 66-7 contacts may know of /have one...but if ya send me hunting... Let me know ya find it b4 I do as sendin me to hunt seems to increase peoples chances of findin item exponentially.. Especialy if I have 1 too..
66-3x2 442,
I have communicated with 3 guys on this site that have the part I need. Before I started this thread I had absolutely no idea about the rarity of the gear indicator lens I'm looking for, or what a "reasonable price" might be. What I said earlier in this thread, is that I don't know if what guys are asking for these lens is worth it to me. Guys are asking between $100 - $200 for the lens, depending on the quality and cost of shipping. Based on what I have learned, I have no reason to believe that any of them is trying to take advantage of me or asking a price that is outrageous. I think it's just a case of supply and demand, the part is fairly rare and not easy to find. What I'm wrestling with in my mind is, is if I really want to pay that much for a minor part, that really only I will see, to go on my car that will never be a high end show car? Hope this explains where I'm coming from.
IMHO the part is worth what you're willing to pay..Evidently you want this part because you are willing to fabricate one yourself. The way I look @ it is,it's a one time purchase,not like milk and bread. This is coming from a long time parts vendor who spent a lot of time over the years laying in under and on top of parts cars. I spent time I could have been doing something with my family or something else. I have rented storage that I pay money every month to store parts in. If it wasn't for guys like me that saved these parts,guys like you wouldn't have the option to buy versus fabricating a part.Not trying to bust your oranges but just making the case.
IMHO the part is worth what you're willing to pay..Evidently you want this part because you are willing to fabricate one yourself. The way I look @ it is,it's a one time purchase,not like milk and bread. This is coming from a long time parts vendor who spent a lot of time over the years laying in under and on top of parts cars. I spent time I could have been doing something with my family or something else. I have rented storage that I pay money every month to store parts in. If it wasn't for guys like me that saved these parts,guys like you wouldn't have the option to buy versus fabricating a part.Not trying to bust your oranges but just making the case.
But that would explain platinum price tags
Always say reason it cost so much is they owe me 20 years stotrage .....one of th tricks was noticing what was breakin / wearin out...then locatin grannys car & strippin every good part off it
.packagin it & storin it so critters dont destroy it , gravity dont disform it & your dumbassed brother dont sell it for about what ya got into it....but parts come from many various sources...recently ..attic of bodyshop that was a dealership...not just guys rentin storage space for parts...
Hey guys,
Good news, I have been able to find the "lens/dial" I need for a price I'm happy with. I really appreciate all the education, dialogue, and offers to help. This site is an incredible source of information and invaluable to guys like me who don't have the expertise that many of you do.
Thanks,
Ralph Nixon
That is good to hear, seems like a part that should be around. Years ago it was a common practice to get rid of the column shift and go with auto on the floor with console. For a while people were searching for the floor shift plate/blank on the dash. Perhaps the PRNDSL bezel was trashed after the conversion. I was on a hunt for one for my Turnpike Cruiser. Someone swapped a Rally Pack/Tach dash into the car and did not use the PRNDSL window just the regular 2 speed one. In my case I had to adapt the PRNDSL window in to the Gauge package dash but it worked.
Oldsmaniac- Looks good! You'd never know it wasn't original.
In the 1967 Chassis Service Manual, it shows what they call the "Inner dial" as a clear plastic piece that has the speedo numbers, idiot light markings, fuel gauge markings, and gear indicator markings imprinted on it. This "inner dial" is sandwiched between the exterior bezel (interior to the car) and a backing retainer plate. Am I correct in assuming this "inner dial" is one solid piece and not individual pieces for the respective pods/openings?
Oldsmaniac- Looks good! You'd never know it wasn't original.
In the 1967 Chassis Service Manual, it shows what they call the "Inner dial" as a clear plastic piece that has the speedo numbers, idiot light markings, fuel gauge markings, and gear indicator markings imprinted on it. This "inner dial" is sandwiched between the exterior bezel (interior to the car) and a backing retainer plate. Am I correct in assuming this "inner dial" is one solid piece and not individual piece for the respective pods/openings?
Yes each clear plastic piece with the PRNDSL or PRNDL is a solid piece specific to the bezel. So they had to produce a few different ones.
Oldsmaniac,
Thanks for the response, but maybe I didn't ask my question very well. The exploded view of what they call the "instrument cluster" is shown above from my 67 Chassis Service Manual. In the portion of the diagram above they have labeled as the "inner dial", you can clearly see the lens for the speedo and idiot lights are one connected piece. What I was trying to ask before was, are the lens for the fuel gauge and the gear indicator also part of this one contiguous "inner dial"? It looks like they might be, but I can't tell for sure and I've never had one apart. Thanks in advance.
Ralph
Yes, they are. I just looked at a loose safety sentinel 67 I have. The lens is there even if the window is covered up for a non-column-automatic car. Apparently mine came on a non-column-automatic, the lens is for a 2 speed auto underneath.
As Koda said, all one piece and under the blanked out area for floor shift cars, auto or stick is the 2 speed trans prndl letters. The shift indicator letters are part of it as well as the Hot, Gen, Oil letters on the dial.
Kodak and Oldsmaniac,
Thanks for the replies guys, really appreciate them. I am purchasing a complete "instrument cluster" (bezel, inner dial, and back retaining plate) for a column shift TH400 3-speed automatic. My existing bezel is in significantly better shape than the one I am purchasing, so my intent is to swap out the incorrect 2-speed inner dial with the correct 3-speed one I am purchasing. Doesn't look like it should be a difficult pull and swap other than possibly manipulating the "instrument cluster" at the correct angle to get it free of the gauge needles/gear indicator needle as I pull the cluster out, up, and away from the dash??? Wish me luck, I'm not the world's greatest mechanic. I'm actually more worried about getting it back in correctly!
Ok, it appears that the, like above, BEZEL holds the INNER DIAL by being bolted to the FIG FACE RETAINER via bolts. Ideally, once bolts and FIG FACE etc are removed, the INNER DIAL should fall out.
If not, it may have plastic detents. Those will be very brittle. Please, before applying any force, set that part in the sun for 45 min or so, heat really helps plastic ductility and may save you from snapping something.
Are different for rally packs so figured I 'd have one to spare but no..other is no longer transparency as someone painted it black...any ideas on how to remove black paint ??
May 4th, 2020, 07:16 PM
