Anyone have any idea where to find brake parts for these cars? i cant find front wheel hubs anywhere and also need drums, im currently looking at using c10 drums and possibly chevy 60's model front hubs if they fit but then of course that would change me from the 5x5 to 5x4.75 bolt on front and i would then need to find multi bolt axles for rear. can someone please point me in the right direction.

 

The Chevy parts don't fit.
The hubs will have to come from a '63 or '64 full size Olds.
Several members on this forum are parting out 63 or 64's.
Craig at Mobileparts may have a set of drums.
Call him at 516-485-1935

 

The Chevy brakes, suspension, steering, and frame are completely different from those on the same year Olds full size. NOTHING interchanges. Not only is the wheel bolt pattern different, but the Chevy wheel bearings are smaller and won't even fit on the Olds spindle. Why do you need hubs? You can press out the wheel studs and the drum and hub will separate. No one makes new hubs for these, so if you really do need them, good used is your only option.

 

Thanks for the shout out, Charlie ,
and Charlie and Joe P. Are as usual, 100 % correct…..

chadc728,
I can indeed assist you with whatever you need and want with N E W and N.O.S. Parts… Nothing USED —- so definitely NO Hubs, but as indicated above, the Hub separates from the Brake Drum ( by an automotive machine shop ) , and what is replaced is a NEW Brake Drum mounted to the existing hub….

Call me, when you need or want…. Yours, Craig….

 

chadc728 is a one - poster who never came back to see our responses.....

 

BEWARE of the drums you can buy from Fusick & Kanter auto parts. I have a set of 4 for my 1963 Super 88 that wont work. My drum thickness at the hub hole is .108, or 108 thousands thick, the ones you get from fusick are .325 thick, so you lose a quarter inch of wheel stud, plus they wont center on the rear axle hub. The factory ones are steel, the chinesium ones are cast. Super 88's are their own thing, believe me, I had to find this out myself.

 

There was (past tense) a '63 full size at a local yard (Dona Ana NM). They have crushed out. Know of another, sitting in an Anthony TX private yard, but would have to check with owner if he's willing to part out, or wants to sell car whole.

 

Newmexguy, do you happen to have any contact info on the guy with the car in Anthony, TX?

 

My 63 has a rear drum that is leaking fluid so I’m assuming the wheel cylinder is bad. Are there replacements available? Or are rebuilds just as good?
I don’t know the condition of the brake pads so I’d like to replace them around as well if possible

 

New brake cylinders and brake shoes are available from most NAPA and O'Reilly stores.
They may not be on the shelves, but are available in a day or two.
If the shoes got wet with brake fluid, they must be replaced.
Brake shoes and cylinders should be done on both sides to make sure that the braking forces are equal.
Drums should be re-machined when installing new shoes.

 

Two things to check: see if your master cylinder is low; smell the fluid that is leaking to see if it could be rear end fluid. It may be an axle seal.

 

Is it me or does this look like an axle leak?

 

Looks like an axle leak, but since you have the drum off, peel back the boots on the wheel cylinder and check for leakage. There should be no fluid on the backside of the rubber boot. Just because you have an axle leak doesn't mean that you don't also have a wheel cylinder leak.

 

Looks dry under the dust covers. So axle seal leaking it is? Never done that before. Are the seals available? Assuming I’m going to have to open the diff now so will have to replace fluid as well?

 

Top off the fluid through the fill plug. The axle shaft comes out by removing the four nuts holding the flange then use either a slide hammer or the brake drum flipped around on the wheel studs as a makeshift slide hammer. The seal is pressed into the end of the axle tube. You might need a seal puller and slide hammer to get it out.

 

Well hell. Popped those four nuts off and axle slide right out hahs

im assuming this rubber that’s broken up is the seal in question?

 

Correct. There's a metal outer ring that needs to come out.

 

Ok and it’s called the axle seal? I called two different parts stores and both said nothing comes up for axle seal.

also what is the gear oil I should top it off with?

 

Technically it's a wheel seal. National/Timken/BCA 470059, or SKF 15343. Should be readily available. Use 80W-90 gear oil

 

the 470059 returns a “trans seal” but the SKF returns a regular “oil seal” pics look different but I’m assuming they’re the same? Guy at Napa auto is just as confused but has to order either of them.

 

NAPA doesn't list a seal for your car. Those are not NAPA numbers that I gave you. Type "Timken 470059" into Google and you get this:

 

You can also purchase the 470059 seal from National.
National manufacturer origin is Mexico.
Timken manufacturer origin is located in several countries outside U.S.A. (e.g. Taiwan, Mexico, etc.)

I've used both and they both appear to be of reasonably good quality and both are available on Amazon w/ free shipping if you're PRIME.

 

According to the Napa parts guy the SKF 15343 cross references to their Napa part number NOS 15005 which is what he gave me here. It looks to fall inline with specs I found on the Timken part number you provided as well so I’m hoping this is correct? Haha.

 

Welp. I got the old seal out and sat it next to the new one. There is def a difference
but looking at the Timken specs it doesn’t have this “shoulder” like the original one either?

 

Annnnnd the 11” brake shoes they gave me don’t match mine. Haha

 

Try to use the factory number on the seal. If that doesn't work, I know on this site the parts breakdown for big and small body 1963 Olds is available. Many time you can find a correct seal or even an upgrade that will fit exactly. If that doesnt work, use an interchange manual. My 63 S88 is a "B" body, so it shares many parts with buick "wildcat", Pontiac Cat and Bonne, Impala parts will alsdo fit since they are all "B" bodies.

 

581436 is the factory GM part number for 1963 F-85's, see if that will cross reference of maybe you can still find that number, you just have to look.

 

Can anyone confirm if the new replacement axle seals are flat like the one I have or if I need to source one with that second step shoulder?

 

The chassis, suspension, and brakes on the B-body cars are NOT common across divisions. Most mechanical parts do not interchange.

 

I'm not sure how that applies to a 1963 Super 88 that uses a completely different axle. The original P/N for the required seal is 568690. It was used on all 1956-1964 Olds full size cars except the 64 J88. National 470059 and SKF 15004 are both shown as cross references for this GM P/N. SKF 15004 has the same dimensions as the 470059 drawing shown above. If the rubber lip ends up in the same location relative to the housing, then the shape of the metal part is irrelevant. Interestingly, the NOS 568690 seals offered on the web do not look like the one the OP pulled out.

 

Thanks guys for the help but the seal Napa auto gave me won’t fit. Outside diameter is slightly too big. Close enough to think about trying to to make it fit but it just won’t. Looks like taking the kids for a cruise in the F85 this weekend is out the window.

I did find a factory NOS one on eBay for $40 but it won’t get here till Friday. Hopefully this will resolve the issue.

brake shoes was a fiasco at the parts stores as well. They kept giving me shoes that are just over 2” wide when my factory shoes look to be about 1 3/4”. Since the pads were close to the same thickness as the new ones I kept getting I just had the drums turned and I’ll re adjust them once done.

 

Did I miss something? This thread is titled "63 Super 88". The part numbers I gave you are for a Super 88. WHAT CAR ARE YOU WORKING ON?

 

^^^^^ EXACTLY!!!!!! ^^^^^^^
Off the top of my head --- no catalog required --- 7753 S National --- is the 1961 - 1963 Olds Cutlass / F85 , 1961 - 1963 Buick Special / Skylark REAR AXLE SEAL.........

1959 - 1964 OLDS FULL SIZE --- 88, Super 88 , 98, Holiday, and Starfire --- use --- 11 " x 2 " Rear Brake Shoes.....
1961 - 1963 OLDS Cutlass / F85 --- use 9 1/2 " x 1 3/4 " Rear Brake Shoes....

Jake 707 --- and I see you P.M.ed me now --- *** STOP Running Around like a chicken with his head cut off ***

I have ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING for every car you could possibly be working on --- but the First Question has to be :
what are you working on ????

Craig....,

 

Jake707 ---
Your most recent comment says " I guess taking the kids out in the F85 is out the window "
One might " assume " based on that, that you are working on a 1961 - 1963 Olds Cutlass / F85 ---- which DOES utilize,
A 9 1/2 " (( NOT 11 " )) X 1 3/4 " Rear Brake Shoe --- 1 3/4 " indeed, and that 7753 S Rear axle seal that fits
1961 - 1963 Olds Cutlass / F85 , 1961 - 1963 Buick Special/ Skylark--- ALL --- ONLY ----

AND, Has Been Discontinued Many Years Ago... No napa or any chineseum outfits can provide that seal.....

Let me reiterate --- I HAVE the Rear Brake Shoes and I HAVE the Rear Axle Seals... and a whoooooooole lot more...

IF you want to act intelligently, STOP dealing with retards....

 

Yea this is most definitely my F up for hijacking an old thread with what started off as a simple question about my leaking axle. I should have clarified and started a new thread a long time ago. I’ll wear that haha.

I’m working on my ‘63 F85

 

Yes, you should never have hijacked this thread. What a cluster…