57 olds 88
This is going to be a very difficult find. If/When you do find it, please share with us:
1) The source
2) The part #'s
3) The cost(s)
I am attaching/including some info on the tranny that I have collected. I collected it because my 1960 Olds had a factory stick (9-bolt top cover)
Olds (GM) 3-speed Manual Trans Specs
Either a Dearborn (Ford) or Buick product?
Ford 3.03 RAN/RAT (toploader) - 9-bolt cover
14 page detailed Dearborn Transmission Service Manual
Covers the Three Speed Transmissions used by GM on all the GM cars of the 60's and 70's era.
[http://carburetor-manual.com/dearbor...al-p-310.html]
Type Helical
Drive Rear wheel drive
No. Of Gears 3
Gear Ratios
1st 2.15 to 1
2nd 1.37 to 1
3rd 1 to 1 (Direct)
Reverse 2.28 to 1
Clutch Type Single plate dry disc
Clutch Size 11 inches
MUNCIE TRANSMISSION
The "SM" in the transmission's designation stands for Syncrho-Mesh, in the tradition of other GM gearboxes, though we have heard that it may refer to Stewart - Muncie, a merged transmission division of GM.
Engine Compatibility and Adaptability - GM
As the reader will conclude, the Chevrolet and General Motors SM420 will marry directly to a GM style bellhousing. This includes early (1955-1967) Chevrolet / GMC truck, Chevy car, Buick, Oldsmobile and Pontiac bellhousings.
1956-57 M13 B-0-P H-D 3-speed (6-bolt top cover)
1956-57 Heavy Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission.
* Appears to be it? See http://www.pontiacsafari.com/L1Garag...ions/index.htm
Pontiac installed the Buick heavy duty 3-speed transmission in 1956-57. The heavy-duty trans is easily distinguished by it's large physical size and 6-bolt top cover. On a scale of 1-10, with "7" being a Muncie M22, the Heavy-Duty B-O-P selector is rated as an "8"...
The physical size of the sliding gear is ≈ 1", which is probably too big. The 1956-57 Pontiac H-D three-speed was stronger than any *other 3-speed ever mass *produced, with the exception of the Ford "Top Loader".* This trans is nearly unbreakable, but the large size of the gears with their nearly straight-cut teeth, slows shifting @ rpm. I have used this trans behind a 450" JBP motor that produced 485 hp @ rpms. No problems, since the big stroker's power falls off at 5,100...
1958 and Later Heavy Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission.
The Buick trans was superseded in 1958 by the B-W T85, which is not quite as strong. According to John Sawruk, the noise and/or gear whine of the old Buick brought about it's demise. B-W T85s have 22O helix-cut gears, making them quiet as a mouse. One of the differences between M22s and M20-21s is that the Muncie engineers went back to Buick thinking, removing the high-helix gears. So, if you've ever ridden in a car with an M22, they sound a lot like the old Buick trannies...
M13 B-W T85 H-D 3-speed
Good luck, and report back!
1) The source
2) The part #'s
3) The cost(s)
I am attaching/including some info on the tranny that I have collected. I collected it because my 1960 Olds had a factory stick (9-bolt top cover)
Olds (GM) 3-speed Manual Trans Specs
Either a Dearborn (Ford) or Buick product?
Ford 3.03 RAN/RAT (toploader) - 9-bolt cover
14 page detailed Dearborn Transmission Service Manual
Covers the Three Speed Transmissions used by GM on all the GM cars of the 60's and 70's era.
[http://carburetor-manual.com/dearbor...al-p-310.html]
Type Helical
Drive Rear wheel drive
No. Of Gears 3
Gear Ratios
1st 2.15 to 1
2nd 1.37 to 1
3rd 1 to 1 (Direct)
Reverse 2.28 to 1
Clutch Type Single plate dry disc
Clutch Size 11 inches
MUNCIE TRANSMISSION
The "SM" in the transmission's designation stands for Syncrho-Mesh, in the tradition of other GM gearboxes, though we have heard that it may refer to Stewart - Muncie, a merged transmission division of GM.
Engine Compatibility and Adaptability - GM
As the reader will conclude, the Chevrolet and General Motors SM420 will marry directly to a GM style bellhousing. This includes early (1955-1967) Chevrolet / GMC truck, Chevy car, Buick, Oldsmobile and Pontiac bellhousings.
1956-57 M13 B-0-P H-D 3-speed (6-bolt top cover)
1956-57 Heavy Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission.
* Appears to be it? See http://www.pontiacsafari.com/L1Garag...ions/index.htm
Pontiac installed the Buick heavy duty 3-speed transmission in 1956-57. The heavy-duty trans is easily distinguished by it's large physical size and 6-bolt top cover. On a scale of 1-10, with "7" being a Muncie M22, the Heavy-Duty B-O-P selector is rated as an "8"...
The physical size of the sliding gear is ≈ 1", which is probably too big. The 1956-57 Pontiac H-D three-speed was stronger than any *other 3-speed ever mass *produced, with the exception of the Ford "Top Loader".* This trans is nearly unbreakable, but the large size of the gears with their nearly straight-cut teeth, slows shifting @ rpm. I have used this trans behind a 450" JBP motor that produced 485 hp @ rpms. No problems, since the big stroker's power falls off at 5,100...
1958 and Later Heavy Duty 3-speed Standard Shift Transmission.
The Buick trans was superseded in 1958 by the B-W T85, which is not quite as strong. According to John Sawruk, the noise and/or gear whine of the old Buick brought about it's demise. B-W T85s have 22O helix-cut gears, making them quiet as a mouse. One of the differences between M22s and M20-21s is that the Muncie engineers went back to Buick thinking, removing the high-helix gears. So, if you've ever ridden in a car with an M22, they sound a lot like the old Buick trannies...
M13 B-W T85 H-D 3-speed
Good luck, and report back!
Dave, The trans that the OP seeks is a Buick built transmission.
It shares no relation to either Ford or Borg-Warner transmissions.
The complete trans would have to come from a 57 thru 60 Oldsmobile. Because the tailshaft is unique to those models.
Some other component parts including gears and some main cases were shared with the following;
51 thru 64 Oldsmobile
56 and 57 Pontiac
39 thru 60 Buick
It shares no relation to either Ford or Borg-Warner transmissions.
The complete trans would have to come from a 57 thru 60 Oldsmobile. Because the tailshaft is unique to those models.
Some other component parts including gears and some main cases were shared with the following;
51 thru 64 Oldsmobile
56 and 57 Pontiac
39 thru 60 Buick
Charlie,
The pic is of the tranny that was in my 60 Olds from the factory. Does that make it a Buick tranny? I don't know.
Also, the info in the text of my previous msg does in fact refer to "the Buick heavy duty 3-speed transmission."
The pic is of the tranny that was in my 60 Olds from the factory. Does that make it a Buick tranny? I don't know.
Also, the info in the text of my previous msg does in fact refer to "the Buick heavy duty 3-speed transmission."
Yes Dave , that is a Buick built "Roadmaster" transmission.


