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Old May 14, 2014 | 02:07 PM
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Believed to be for a 67 442

My parts book doesn't show the p/n.
It is 764 7561. Very straight, no dings, and just
enough bubbling to give it character. $175 + the ride.
A pic or 4...
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Old May 14, 2014 | 02:23 PM
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Four more. All pins are intact with
both barrel nuts for the ends.
Will need a good polishing and reblack.
The texture area is in very nice shape
with NO bubbles. I have had it and thought it
would make a nicer replacement for my 66.
It's not correct for my car.
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Old Jun 16, 2014 | 05:26 PM
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Still available.
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 05:25 PM
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Bump. Price lowered.
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 06:54 PM
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Tru---I could not get that much out of a perfect one.-----Trouble is that the Cutlass ones were the same except not black, different number, but you can't see the number when it is installed----they PAINT THEM__GGGGRRRRRR
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 08:25 PM
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Thanks for the info Fern.
Guess I will have to bead blast it.
Do you know if that p/n is correct
for a 67 442?
Old Jun 17, 2014 | 09:55 PM
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The assigned part number for the 67 442 molding is 4229474.
The 67 Cutlass molding is 4229473.
The casting number on the back of the part should be the same on either molding.

Henry
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 08:00 AM
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It is the same. I looked at two of them last night I have, one of each type.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 66400
The assigned part number for the 67 442 molding is 4229474.
The 67 Cutlass molding is 4229473.
The casting number on the back of the part should be the same on either molding.

Henry
To clarify:
This is a perfect example of how and why a part number may not be the number on the part. Especially if it is a casting or other molded (like plastic) part.
When there is multiple end variations of the part (like with and w/o black paint in this case), the number on the part will absolutely not be the part number. And even if the part has only one end configuration, the number on the part still *may* not be the same as the part number.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 09:44 AM
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Could you email me pics of the problems areas on the mldg thanks.
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wmachine
To clarify:
This is a perfect example of how and why a part number may not be the number on the part. Especially if it is a casting or other molded (like plastic) part.
When there is multiple end variations of the part (like with and w/o black paint in this case), the number on the part will absolutely not be the part number. And even if the part has only one end configuration, the number on the part still *may* not be the same as the part number.
This is a very interesting theory Kurt. Thanks.
I will try to show all the #'s on the back of
this unit. It also has 2 X's together and another set
of #'s. Here we go...I would like to see a pic of the
tail of a 67 W-30...My curiosity is peeked.
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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Figured as much. 12 yr. old camera.
Here's the rendering. Get your kicks,
I did.

Hairy, the last two pics are the 'problem areas.'
Some slight bubbling on both ends. R/side is the worst.
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Old Jun 18, 2014 | 01:08 PM
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It's the same metal part. It got a different treatment, so its GM part number in the book will be different, but the part will get a sticker for that, which is obviously long gone. Cast and stamped numbers go on for ID and to outlast harsh processes like chrome and painting. In other words, 100% of those moldings have the same casting number, minus things like lot numbers. They are the same. Then, they get chromed. Still the same. Some get a sticker put on them and become Cutlass moldings. Some get painted black and get a different sticker and become 442 moldings. Some of those 442 moldings end up on w-30s.

Now, the only difference in them, assuming they'll get restored, is provenance of what vehicle it was originally on. The unscrupulous seller will scream "W-30 PART!!! BIG MONAYZ!!!" when, in reality, it was common to them all and should not have a premium attached to it.

I have 2 442 ones and a Cutlass one. The one with the best chrome will be rechromed and painted black for my 442. I have maybe a small desire to use the original one, but if the other two I have are better, I'll look to them first.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 01:40 PM
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Agreed Koda. Only thing about that is,
that it doesn't change my original part #,
which is 7647651. It had to be cast in there
when it was made. The starburst has a 2 @11:00,
and a 1 at around 10:30. Would this be a cast date?
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 03:19 PM
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I think so on the casting star.

That is the correct cast number for all of them. Mine have that number.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wmachine
To clarify:
This is a perfect example of how and why a part number may not be the number on the part. Especially if it is a casting or other molded (like plastic) part.
When there is multiple end variations of the part (like with and w/o black paint in this case), the number on the part will absolutely not be the part number. And even if the part has only one end configuration, the number on the part still *may* not be the same as the part number.
Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
This is a very interesting theory Kurt. Thanks.
I will try to show all the #'s on the back of
this unit. It also has 2 X's together and another set
of #'s. Here we go...I would like to see a pic of the
tail of a 67 W-30...My curiosity is peeked.
Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
Agreed Koda. Only thing about that is,
that it doesn't change my original part #,
which is 7647651. It had to be cast in there
when it was made.
Again, my point is that the cast-in part number is not (necessarily) the Olds factory part number. This is fact, not theory. Another example is the '66 442 deck lid molding. the Olds factory part number is 4227177. The molding even says "Pt. No.", but the cast number is 4549987. There are countless more examples. And the '66 molding is only used on the 442 in one version. Note that the deck lid molding needed to be painted black to be complete.
Old Jun 18, 2014 | 11:56 PM
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it seems some make this more difficult than it is, but I guess it "is" rocket science:

7647561 part number for the bare casting (NOT a finished part)
4229473 part number once chromed - $30.30 in 5/68 parts catalog ('67 Cutlass & Cutlass Supreme)
4229474 part number once chromed & painted black - $32.10 in 5/68 parts catalog ('67 Cutlass Supreme w/442 OPT.)
Old Jun 19, 2014 | 03:55 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up Hurst.
These p/n's must be where the stickers
came into play. The part in question looks
to be a factory paint job as well. 'Needs a re-black.'
Old Jun 20, 2014 | 05:06 AM
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After viewing some pics of
the 67 442's, it looks as though
that is what this piece came from
originally. It came with a bunch of
parts I purchased in Austin a few years back.
Old Jul 1, 2014 | 05:09 AM
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