I don't know if anyone needs this or not. But I have vin plate and clear title. That I don't need. Its off a 4dr model. Tn title. If anyone needs it make offer. Email is bdubbie23@yahoo.com or number is 14237417944.

Just put cutlass in subject line.

 

Why would you be selling a VIN plate? It's supposed to stay with the car from the day it's born and is only representative of that specific car. Not sure in TN but I think you should check the legal aspect of whether you can even do this. No offense intended. Although VIN information is shared freely on this site, I think you will find more people questioning this like I am.

 

Well allan I understand your concern. Its common in restoring old vehicles titles get lost vin plates fall off. Afterall these was attached in door panel. The car this one came off of was a parts car that was so far gone that it would be unsafe for it to be on road. Frame rotted, no motor or tranny no rearend. Around windows was cut out. Etc etc. It had good title and vin.

Just posting up incase someone had a car that was good running and no way of getting title then I was going to help out.

If you had two cars sitting there the best one runs and drives great but has title issues.

The other car has perfect title but rusted out, missing parts would you change 2 rivets or change/ fix the bad and haul good to scrap yard?

 

If no takers ill keep it. But the likely hood of me coming across another 4dr cutlass is rare for me. I sold the good car to guy who wanted a 4dr. He had same yr 442,convert,wagon,

And besides when you register a car do they look at car or title? Here in tn its all paperwork.

 

I get what you're saying about restoring. Usually the restorer will take extra special care of the title, vin and cowl tags because of the huge issues with trying to get new titles. I know that US law is different from Canadian law. Up here it's against the law to transfer the vin and/or cowl tag from one car body to another.

Just not sure about how it works down there. Usually if you lose the title, you go through a state Title search right? There are ways to get title back - just takes time? But the transferance of VIN tags from one vehicle to another just to get title somehow doesn't sound right. I appreciate you're trying to help out anyone who could benefit from this. Someone who knows the legalese of this will probably chime in with more info.

 

Even if illegal up there I bet some not all has had to change the vin plate. And of needs to be removed from forums than that fine 2. No big deal. Just trying to help

 

Here is Florida law, I'm sure TN is the same.

SALE OR POSSESSION OF VIN PLATE
did knowingly possess, sell, exchange, offer to sell or exchange, or give away any certificate of
title or manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate or serial plate of any motor
vehicle, mobile home, or derelict that has been sold as salvage contrary to the provisions of
section 319.30, Florida Statutes, or did authorize, direct, aid in, or consent to the possession,
sale, or exchange or offer to sell, exchange, or give away such certificate of title or
manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate or serial plate {or} did knowingly
possess, sell, exchange, offer to sell or exchange, or give away any manufacturer's or stateassigned
identification number plate or serial plate of any motor vehicle that had been removed
from the motor vehicle or mobile home for which it was manufactured, or did authorize, direct,
aid in, or consent to the possession, sale, or exchange or offer to sell, exchange, or give away
such or manufacturer's or state-assigned identification number plate or serial plate, contrary to

Florida Statutes 319.30(5)(a) and (b). (3 DEG FEL) (LEVEL 1)

 

Well like I said I can keep it. Leave it in the folder and maybe one day I run across one. But you can buy repop vin plates for just about any old car/Trk. To match your title. And even seen some titles on ebay. One of reasons I thought anyone needed it it could help out.

Sry if against board rules. Or anyone don't wanna mess with it.

 

Actually funny that you mention that. Recently (last Nov) a guy in Ont was trying to sell his 72 Cutlass Supreme on the site, and on Kijiji (our CL). I was interested in the car and asked for the VIN. It came back as a 72 Cutlass S. So there's proof that you're right. VIN switching goes on.

I disagree maybe with the way you worded your comment. That's the slippery slope. No one has to change the vin plate - they do it in most cases to cover up a theft or chop shop operation or something similar. 99.9% of the time it's done knowing it's illegal. It's not illegal to roll a new chassis under the vehicle, or change engines or drive train etc. It's just illegal to change the VIN and cowl tags.

To do it is not accidental - it's deliberate because of the way it's attached and up here it's chargeable as fraud under the Criminal code of Canada. In this case, the seller couldn't legally sell the car because the VIN was wrong. Worst of all the DMV had accepted his VIN as being proper (like you said - lots of beurocracy involved who don't actually check the car) when he bought and registered it from the PO. So now he is stuck with a car that he doesn't want.

Our system of 'title' and registration aren't the same as yours, but in some cases are just as flawed.

 

What you think is OK to do or the logic behind replacing two rivets are not what a VIN number is for. The VIN was not designed to be interchanged between vehicles. It is fraud and illegal. You will get a lot of heat on this site. If you had put Vin for sale in your title, you would have had 50 replies in an hour. I doubt that many people will be supportive of your theory.

Perhaps your interested in a little reading on the subject with some facts:

http://www.boss302.com/legal.htm

 

Like I said just seeing if anyone needed it. Trying to be nice type thing.

 

What your doing is not helping our hobby or this site. Anyone who would want the tags and title would be in violation of the law and would probably know that. How would you feel if you felt you were helping someone and were linked to a stolen vehicle? I don't care what state you are in, they take VIN tampering very seriously.

 

Well then if admin will go ahead delete this thread and my user name. I would appreciate it.

 

Holy socks Batman! Let's not start a war here. I can see both sides of what's happening here. I believe doobie is honestly acting in good faith, but without full knowledge of the law or the implications behind his offer. Let's agree that it was a very learning experience. I think he's gotten the point from several of us.

doobie,
It's actually in everyone's best interest to leave the thread alone but have it locked, not deleted. That way it shares the knowledge with anyone who wants to find info using the 'search' option. The idea behind your offer was obviously sincere but probably didn't consider the full knowledge and implication of the legalese behind it. I wouldn't get all upset and quit the site as a result of the comments back. Treat it as a learning experience and move on.

The nature of these forums can get rough/heated at times; and a thick skin helps deal with some issues. I hope you'll re-consider. C.O. has a lot of great info. The comments you heard back may not have been what you wanted to hear and I can easily see how you may have taken them as a personal attack. Not so. Just have to look at the bigger picture of VIN and Cowl tag issues to understand it.

What others do (in the name of profit) with redistribution of cowl or VIN tags does actually hurt the whole industry, no matter who does it, and doesn't make it right or ethical. That's why it causes such a stir for those who do follow the rules of law....VIN and Cowl tags are used to validate the actual vehicle they are riveted to as they were built in the factory. It gives a unique authenticity and identification to the car.

Want to see what kind of controversy this creates? Even chop/cut/rebuild stirred the hornets nest with their Kiesler Hemi 69 charger. Have a look...
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/ch...s-controversy/

 

Well to be honest I don't have any Oldsmobile products. Only mopar right now. 52 b3b, my Dakota, my ram, 71 barracuda, and a 68 dodge

 

So? You're still welcome to hang with us. There are lots of guys here who have Chev, Buick, Pontiac, Mopar, Ford etc in their stables too. I have Hyundai as a DD now. My loyalty in car buying right now is to whoever gives me a reliable, efficient, affordable and comfortable car. I would never pass for a teenager now even with a hot car!

 

Well I've always been mopar. Traded around on otherthings. If I can make dollar or two off of some stuff find good deal I usually bite. But I've got my daily ram, my showtrk Dakota, the barracuda was handed down family. Never get rid off. And my current project 52 pickup. Which is my toy to drive as daily in summer.