Hey guys!

Does anyone know rough production numbers on this specific starfire? Since buying my 4 speed coupe a year ago I've seen multiple nods to the number of 122 total 4 speed 65 starfires, and 12 were convertibles. Any more concrete info on this?

I'm picking up a 4 speed convertible next month if everything pans out!

 

oh, along with some more parts cars if anyone needs parts

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Wow ! That car is HOT! I especially like the red color .
Stick shift , full size Oldsmobiles from the sixties of any kind are extremely rare . So I would believe the "one of 12 " number .

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Where's Kurt Shubert when you need him?

 

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...n-numbers.html

Here is a reply Kurt had when he was active on the forum.

Don W

 

This is the page he is referring to. I stumbled across it yesterday.

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...%20Oldsmobiles

Don W

 

thanks for the help!

 

Beautiful car! I have a 65 Delta 88 with factory 4 speed. It's tucked away in my shop waiting patiently for a restoration.

If you wind up with a decent 65 front bumper that you don't need, please let me know!

 

Ran into a 65 Starfire convertible automatic car yesterday at a show in Brownsville Ca. The Owner was looking for the Oldsmobile script for the hood . If I run into him another show I give him this lead.

Car was a good survivor and all there but could have used a bit of TLC.... Tedd

 

I have those letters for him

 

Saw this car (or should I say cars) offered previously on EBay, but it's / they're back. Of course, the "COPO" bit is a load of horsesh*t, but that does not necessarily detract from the car itself. Def. worth hearing more about by someone interested in acquiring a big 4 speeder, esp. as it's the "holy grail of Oldsmobiles" (guess there was a day when that would have brought more than 15 grand).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Oldsmob...%257Ciid%253A1

 

YEP! I guess I posted out of excitement, too soon.

Seller ended up being a total flake. He was fine with me coming down next week with cash, but about 2 weeks ago decided that he needed the funds wired to him immediately before he'd even tell me where all the cars were. I had a problem with that, so he cancelled the sale and relisted them all.

Come to find out it looks like the convertible is not a true 4 speed car. The cowl tag did not show 2L or M20 on it, so it looks like it was a home made conversion.

 

Sorry it didn't work out. But sounds like it may have been for the best. The seller sounded like a flake from his auction text alone - my guess is he does not want to deal with the reality that he must sell his beloved toys.

A faux 4 speed big car can be fun in and of itself, esp. if bought for the right price. I actually made one myself 15 years ago using parts from a a donor 4 speeder that was rotted out beyond salvaging. As for the cowl tag, my (Lansing built) '65 J1 4 speeder does have the "2L", as did the tag on the donor '65 Starfire 4 speed car I had circa 2001, and I've seen "M20" depicted on the tags of other big 4 speeders, but not sure it HAS to have either of those to be genuine, esp. depending on assembly plant.

 

Very interesting !!!!! I ran across a 1965 Starfire convertible a year or so ago. He offered it to me for sale, but I wasn't interested. I believe he said it had a "manual transmission", but I didn't inquire. I did buy the non running 1964 Olds Starfire he had.
It looked to have the original light metallic blue paint. The guy is a nice guy, but not concerned with originality, so it could have been a "clone".
He has moved since I bought the 1964, and he may not even have the car now. I may have his phone number, maybe not.
RALPH

 

2L is the code for a floor shift car . Manual or automatic .
M20 is the code for a four speed transmission .

 

The '2L' appears on the cowl tags of my 4-speed '65 Jetstar 1 and my 4-speed '66 Delta 88. All 3 '65 Starfire floor shift automatic cars I presently have do not have '2L' on their cowl tags, nor do the handful of '65 Starfire cowl tags I saved from parted out cars (all floor-shift automatics).

 

Also of interesting note, the '65 Dynamic 2-door 4-speed car that sat for years in Roller's Auto Salvage in Arkdale, Wi. also had '2L' on the cowl tag. Car and salvage yard were crushed out years ago. I did get some critical 4-speed pieces from it before it went away. Car was red, red interior, power steering, manual brakes, 3.23 posi, 4-bbl with single exhaust.

 

Sorry, Charlie.

 

To add to the story, after i bought this car on ebay, the seller gave me the paperwork needed for me to get the title in my name. It had been over 25 years since the car was registered, so there literally were no records of the car. This made it very easy to get the title in my name.

Then the seller cancelled the deal, hung up on me, and would never call me back, so i just held on to the title.

Two weeks ago he passed away, and his family found my information. He never left a will and he had a lot of skeletons in his closet. I had so many family members contact me about this car, but i was persistent to finish the sale.

Finally, the car is safely in my posession. Its all disassembled and will take a lot of work. I have limited pictures now, but will get more this weekend once i get the car on a lift. It seems pretty solid and has options like cruise control and autronic eye.

Shame, it appears i cannot add photos from my phone so i will try to add some in the morning

 

Congrats on finally getting the car. Looking forward to more pictures.

 

I couldn't wait to share! Here are the few pictures I have. I will get more this weekend

In that massive truck and trailer












All kinds of parts to sort through to see what I need


Definitely needs some work




Tilt, cruise, autronic eye. I'm sure I'll find some more options


40k miles


shifter


reupholstered seats. not sure how I like them. I have a set of original red seats too

 

pics fixed

 

Great to hear you ended up with the car. Looks like it has great potential.

I kinda like the custom upholstery work on those seats.

 

Great story and great pics. Plenty of work to do, but you have a great car.
Ralph

 

Wow! So glad this deal worked out for you!
Keep us posted, especially after you get all your parts inventoried! May be something you could sell to us parts hungry B body freaks!

 

Real great start for a great car !
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My books are put up but if that is a legit 4-speed with cruise it's like a one and only. Joe P has all his stuff handy and can post whether the cruise was available with stick. As a rule it wasn't, but...

EDIT Don't see any of the underhood cruise stuff. Maybe dash was changed or the stuff's in the trunk somewhere.

 

any hints of what I should look for?

 

actually, you're near by. You should come to Moneta at 9AM and poke around the car with me and I'll show you my other starfires I have the lift from 9-11am tomorrow

 

Nice car and looks like it would not be hard to get back on road to enjoy.

 

Took a bunch of photos yesterday. I will just dump them in here, no particular order.

The car is very solid. way better than I expected. However, the body panels are kind of beat up, and the wiring will need to be tend to as it is in rough shape. Still haven't found the build sheet. Not sure what to do about the floor pans either...

 

 

 

Looks really solid

 

NICE, a lot of work ahead of you but you will end up with a Picasso.

 

WOW. what happened to the other two cars this fella had for sale?

 

the red coupe came home with me. It was given to me as long as I could get it out of their way. it has a rebuilt 425 and a ton of good parts, so I paid the transportation fee from FL to VA because it made sense.

The blue coupe was MIA and the family knew nothing about it. I'm guessing it was previously sold. Apparently he had more cars than they knew about.

 

so you actually got two cars? what are your plans for the coupe? this rag top is real nice

 

With a build date of 11D on the cowl tag, Engine date code 244 and trans date code 0826 it appears that the drivetrain is original to the car

 

yes I got two cars for the price of one! I have not dug into the coupe yet to see what it may need. Not sure what my plans are for it.