My 66 442
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My 66 442
My name is Rob Van Vleet from Machesney Park Illinois. I am 45 year old and have been into cars my entire life. I am the second owner of my 1966 442 ( father-in-law was the first). I have had my 442 for 25 years and it has always been my project car. It has always been my fair weather driver and 3 years ago I started to drag race it a couple times a year. My latest project for the 442 came about on an August night this year at Union Grove Dragstrip. Time to rebuild the engine again! Even though things didn't go as planned, I think I'm hooked on drag racing.
this is my first Oldsmobile forum and I am looking forward t omeeting like minded people.
Here are a couple pictures of my 442. it looks better in pictures than it actually is but thats what happens when you drive them.
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Once the machine work is complete my set up will be as follows.
400 (40 over)
10:5/1 compression
Lunati voodoo cam
Torker intake w/ 750 Holley DP
100HP Nitrous
Hooker headers w/ full 3" Flowmaster exhaust
M-21 close ratio 4 speed
3:91 w/ Eaton posi and Richmond gears
This is a low budget car that has taken years to get to the point it is now but it has been a great time.
this is my first Oldsmobile forum and I am looking forward t omeeting like minded people.
Here are a couple pictures of my 442. it looks better in pictures than it actually is but thats what happens when you drive them.
DSCF0434.jpg
DSCF6541.jpg
Once the machine work is complete my set up will be as follows.
400 (40 over)
10:5/1 compression
Lunati voodoo cam
Torker intake w/ 750 Holley DP
100HP Nitrous
Hooker headers w/ full 3" Flowmaster exhaust
M-21 close ratio 4 speed
3:91 w/ Eaton posi and Richmond gears
This is a low budget car that has taken years to get to the point it is now but it has been a great time.
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Thanks, I am using the original block. I have a 455 that I ran in it for years but finally decided to spend the money and get the original motor back in the car. I've had a lot of trouble getting the bottom end to hold up but I 'm hoping with the restrictors and larger oil pan and pick up I will be good to go this time.
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#8
Make sure you have .003 to .0035 on the mains and .004 on the 5 main. A good .0025 on the rods, restrick the oil to the cam and restrick all the lifter bore oil holes to .045. HV melling pump and 7qt oil pan. Do NOT run it over 6000 rpm.
Should be good to go.
Gene
Should be good to go.
Gene
#12
Sweet looking 442
I'm in Roscoe Il, I see your car in the summer time and always take a second look when your crusing down north second st, Awesome ride. You should swing up to some of the cruise nights up in Roscoe this summer. maybe I'll see ya up there I own a 73 442.
#13
Thanks for the suggestions. I do have tehrestrictors between thecrank and cam. I had my motor rebuilt by Rocket Racing two years ago but made a few mistakes. I used a high volume oil pump with a 5/8 pick up but used the stock pan. I also used a 455 balancer with hte 400 timing tab, that retarded my timing by 15 degrees. That set up with a carb that was too small didn't work out with the nitrous at the track. It's not cheap but I'm learning. my motor is back at Rocket now getting the crank reground and balanced a couple of new rods. Once thats done I will get it back together and ready for next year.
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Heres a couple under hood shots. I used the engine paint from Parts Place, it's not the exact color that I wanted but it doesn't look bad. Supercars unlimited has the proper color for the 400.
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When I put the motor back in this time I'm setting up a seperate fuel system for the nitrous, that was another issue I had with my last set up.
#15
It's funny how you can go online and run into someone thats five miles away. I try to get to the weekly cruises as often as possible but sometimes its difficult to keep up. I made it to Sophias about three time last year but usually stayed for about half an hour. What does your 73 look like? I try to keep up with the local Oldsmobiles. I love the body style of the 73-77's I had a 74 for years when I was younger. I would love to get a 74 Hurst one of these years.
#18
Thanks for the compliment. I got the scoop from summit and installed it myself. It fit well with very little trimming, the body lines on the hood work out great for blending the scoop in.
#22
I'm learning as i go (which is expensive)... If a crank is ground under 10 or under 20... thats from the stock spec... so can you get different bearings that will give you slightly different tolerances or do you have to specify to the crank grinder exactly what you want the grind to be (beyond the stock spec?), or is that last little bit done by polishing?
i probably should just post this as its own question instead of hijacking, huh...
#24
Just curious (not trying to debate) how those specs compare to stock. These clearances are looser than stock, correct?
I'm learning as i go (which is expensive)... If a crank is ground under 10 or under 20... thats from the stock spec... so can you get different bearings that will give you slightly different tolerances or do you have to specify to the crank grinder exactly what you want the grind to be (beyond the stock spec?), or is that last little bit done by polishing?
i probably should just post this as its own question instead of hijacking, huh...
I'm learning as i go (which is expensive)... If a crank is ground under 10 or under 20... thats from the stock spec... so can you get different bearings that will give you slightly different tolerances or do you have to specify to the crank grinder exactly what you want the grind to be (beyond the stock spec?), or is that last little bit done by polishing?
i probably should just post this as its own question instead of hijacking, huh...
#25
I got the scoop from summit and installed it myself. It fit well with very little trimming, the body lines on the hood work out great for blending the scoop in. They also sell a cowl scoop with the same overall demensions that is only 2" tall.
#27
Thanks, I am hoping this is THE site. It's hard to find fellow Oldsmobile enthusiasts to talk with. I get tired of people telling me to put a Ch*%y in it if you want to go fast or cheap. I've had a lot of fun with my 442 over the last 26 years but it also gets to be frustrating at times as well. i am looking to build a reliable cruiser that looks good and can run a respectible time at the track. Once I get a better feel for the site I will post more pictures and stories about my car and the goals I have for it in the near future.
#28
If a WIDER than stock toerance is desired, does it have to be specified to the guy grinding the crank, or can that extra clearance be POLISHED later later after you've checked the initial tolerances, or are bearings available that will give you slightly more than stock -10 -20 bearings?
That is why i was asking how those numbers compared to the stock main & rod bearing tolerance specs. Because -10 or -20 is just off the stock size. If custom size is desired, i want to know when & to who that gets specified during the build.
My crank is still at the machine shop now... so thats why i want to know if i should be feeding him info other than the stock specs he's using.
I really need to repost in its on thread. Sorry again for the hijack
BTW... i really like your car too. Wheels and stance look awesome!
Last edited by RAMBOW; January 24th, 2011 at 01:17 PM.
#29
I understand how to check the tolerances... i was just curious if the wider tolerances are desired for rebuilding- Most shops that grind a crank are simply going to grind it to factory specs plus whatever they need to clean it (.010 under or .020 under).
If a WIDER than stock toerance is desired, does it have to be specified to the guy grinding the crank, or can that extra clearance be POLISHED later later after you've checked the initial tolerances, or are bearings available that will give you slightly more than stock -10 -20 bearings?
That is why i was asking how those numbers compared to the stock main & rod bearing tolerance specs. Because -10 or -20 is just off the stock size. If custom size is desired, i want to know when & to who that gets specified during the build.
My crank is still at the machine shop now... so thats why i want to know if i should be feeding him info other than the stock specs he's using.
I really need to repost in its on thread. Sorry again for the hijack
BTW... i really like your car too. Wheels and stance look awesome!
If a WIDER than stock toerance is desired, does it have to be specified to the guy grinding the crank, or can that extra clearance be POLISHED later later after you've checked the initial tolerances, or are bearings available that will give you slightly more than stock -10 -20 bearings?
That is why i was asking how those numbers compared to the stock main & rod bearing tolerance specs. Because -10 or -20 is just off the stock size. If custom size is desired, i want to know when & to who that gets specified during the build.
My crank is still at the machine shop now... so thats why i want to know if i should be feeding him info other than the stock specs he's using.
I really need to repost in its on thread. Sorry again for the hijack
BTW... i really like your car too. Wheels and stance look awesome!
No problem with the hijack. i am here to learn as well. I have my short block at Rocket Racing getting the crank ground and balanced. I had the short block done there last winter and it turned out great but I made a couple expensive mistakes and need to get the crank redone and a couple of rods replaced. It sucks but thats the way things go sometimes. Good luck with with your engine.
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73 442
Maybe I'll see ya at Sophia's, my car is black with gold racing stripes, V code 455, 4 speed. I've owned it since 1990 I'm the 4th owner. Stop by and say hi if your ever out and about I'm a die hard Olds nut too. My name Tom. Take care and Happy Oldsmobiling.
Last edited by merocketman; January 24th, 2011 at 07:18 PM.
#31
Rambow, That is how I do it. I align hone the mains to the middle spec. Insert all the main brgs, install the main caps, torque the bolts to spec. Use a dial bore guage and take a measurement. Machine the crank to the size you need for the clearence you want.
Stock spec's are good for a daily driver that see's very little RPM. if you are going to use and abuse it, you need more clearence. With the big journols and mains, the brgs speed is to much, you need a little more clearence to give the crank room to flex at high RPM. HV pump with at least a 7 qt pan. I redrill the spring hole in the oil pump and move it over .250. It gives a little more pressure, you mainly need voluume.
Thats pretty much how I do it. My engine has been in there for 8 years, and I race a lot.
Check "Amazon" for Bill at "BTR racing for his book. Makes for great reading.
Check out, Bill @ Olds performance, -- John @ Rocket racing, Smitty @ M & J proformance, -- Andy @ Olds performance products
Gene
Stock spec's are good for a daily driver that see's very little RPM. if you are going to use and abuse it, you need more clearence. With the big journols and mains, the brgs speed is to much, you need a little more clearence to give the crank room to flex at high RPM. HV pump with at least a 7 qt pan. I redrill the spring hole in the oil pump and move it over .250. It gives a little more pressure, you mainly need voluume.
Thats pretty much how I do it. My engine has been in there for 8 years, and I race a lot.
Check "Amazon" for Bill at "BTR racing for his book. Makes for great reading.
Check out, Bill @ Olds performance, -- John @ Rocket racing, Smitty @ M & J proformance, -- Andy @ Olds performance products
Gene
#34
So far I am signed up for Power Tour and will be tagging along with my car on Drag Week so I hope to have this sorted out and back in my car soon.
#36
looks like the caps could use straps or a halo girdle. May help keep the mains stay put.
I've had straps on my 455 for about 12 years and it still has great oil pressure.
Runs a strong has it ever has. Did a cam change recently and improved a tenth.
I just saw the article and hope they can figure it out.
any updates ?
Gene
I've had straps on my 455 for about 12 years and it still has great oil pressure.
Runs a strong has it ever has. Did a cam change recently and improved a tenth.
I just saw the article and hope they can figure it out.
any updates ?
Gene
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#38
looks like the caps could use straps or a halo girdle. May help keep the mains stay put.
I've had straps on my 455 for about 12 years and it still has great oil pressure.
Runs a strong has it ever has. Did a cam change recently and improved a tenth.
I just saw the article and hope they can figure it out.
any updates ?
Gene
I've had straps on my 455 for about 12 years and it still has great oil pressure.
Runs a strong has it ever has. Did a cam change recently and improved a tenth.
I just saw the article and hope they can figure it out.
any updates ?
Gene
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