Title issues
Title issues
Bought a 1977 oldsmobile omega 4 door with the original 305 the previous owner never got the title transferred into his name before I bought it this is the first car I was gonna buy for me and my daughter so I was kinda existed about it so I kinda jumped the gun and didn't look than over like I should of I'm getting told there's no way to get the car legal I'm just wondering if anybody can point me in a detection were I might be able to figure this out so we can get this beauty on the street.
I saw your post replying to a 8 year old post. I would not hold my breath waiting for a reply. You need to start with your states motor vehicle office first. All states are different. It used to be easy to get a title for anything, but not anymore.
From the Missouri DMV website:
Missouri law requires that a motor vehicle must be titled (within 30 days of the purchase date) before it is either registered for highway use or transferred to another individual. If you do not have a properly assigned title (or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin), you have no clear legal right to the vehicle.
If you did not receive a properly assigned ownership document (e.g., certificate of title) at the time of purchase, and the seller is not available to make proper assignment, you may wish to seek the advice of a legal professional.
Since the party you bought the vehicle from did not have clear title to the car, they were not the legal owner of the vehicle. Hopefully you can go back to the seller and ask them to title the car in their name and when they receive the title, then they can sign it over to you. If you cannot locate the seller, you might want to try to locate the person named on the title and ask them to apply for a duplicate title and then they sign it over to you. I hope everything works out for you.
Missouri law requires that a motor vehicle must be titled (within 30 days of the purchase date) before it is either registered for highway use or transferred to another individual. If you do not have a properly assigned title (or Manufacturer's Statement of Origin), you have no clear legal right to the vehicle.
If you did not receive a properly assigned ownership document (e.g., certificate of title) at the time of purchase, and the seller is not available to make proper assignment, you may wish to seek the advice of a legal professional.
Since the party you bought the vehicle from did not have clear title to the car, they were not the legal owner of the vehicle. Hopefully you can go back to the seller and ask them to title the car in their name and when they receive the title, then they can sign it over to you. If you cannot locate the seller, you might want to try to locate the person named on the title and ask them to apply for a duplicate title and then they sign it over to you. I hope everything works out for you.
As others have said, I would just ask your local DMV. If I am correct Missouri is a title state, but other states may not be. For example I can not title my 1970 car in Alabama, if I sold it to you I am fairly sure you can take the Bill of Sale and a Missouri Title application and have no issues. If don't take the old out of state title with you. As the Alabama DMV told me, we don't need to see it.
Go to this link: http://dor.mo.gov/forms/index.php?fo...s=Search+Forms
Get the Buying A Vehicle Guide and look at page 2 it will tell you what the Bill of sale needs to say.
Get the Buying A Vehicle Guide and look at page 2 it will tell you what the Bill of sale needs to say.
In Oregon it would make no difference. You have 30 days to transfer here and all that does is mean they can charge you an extra fee if you do not transfer it within that time. It has no effect on if you sell it. the new buyer has a new 30 days and all is required is a bill of sale which could be on any paper in anyones name.
I had a similar problem a few years ago with a later model car.
The guy who sold me the car had the title, and it was signed over to him.
He gave me a signed receipt and bill of sale.
Back in the "old days," I could have taken this clear trail of ownership to the DMV and registered the car, but the nice lady at the town hall told me that that was no longer the case, and that now, since the car had been signed over to him, he had to register it himself and gat a title in his name before he could legally sell it to me (the point of all of this is to allow the state to collect all of the fees from this unnecessary registration).
Since the seller was actually a legal resident of a different state, he was VERY unhappy about this, as he had to now pay sales tax, and register and insure the car in a different state before selling it to me.
The only way he would do this was if I covered his expenses - yes, it was his responsibility, but he had had no idea of the new laws either, and hiring a lawyer to take him to court across state lines would have been far more expensive.
So, after a two month delay, I was finally able to register the car.
Bottom line: Unless you have a contact in a state that will allow him to register the car without a title, and then sell it back to you, there is likely nothing you can do. If you can't coerce the previous owner to take care of this, it is probably too expensive to sue him, so you will have no choice but to part the car and abandon the frame (a junk yard won't take it without a legal title).
- Eric
The guy who sold me the car had the title, and it was signed over to him.
He gave me a signed receipt and bill of sale.
Back in the "old days," I could have taken this clear trail of ownership to the DMV and registered the car, but the nice lady at the town hall told me that that was no longer the case, and that now, since the car had been signed over to him, he had to register it himself and gat a title in his name before he could legally sell it to me (the point of all of this is to allow the state to collect all of the fees from this unnecessary registration).
Since the seller was actually a legal resident of a different state, he was VERY unhappy about this, as he had to now pay sales tax, and register and insure the car in a different state before selling it to me.
The only way he would do this was if I covered his expenses - yes, it was his responsibility, but he had had no idea of the new laws either, and hiring a lawyer to take him to court across state lines would have been far more expensive.
So, after a two month delay, I was finally able to register the car.
Bottom line: Unless you have a contact in a state that will allow him to register the car without a title, and then sell it back to you, there is likely nothing you can do. If you can't coerce the previous owner to take care of this, it is probably too expensive to sue him, so you will have no choice but to part the car and abandon the frame (a junk yard won't take it without a legal title).
- Eric
Timmy2time,
Just call or go by your DMV. I just went through this very same thing in Alabama and it can be done, you just need to know the rules. Alabama will not title any car that is over 35 years old but I had no issues getting the car registered. They will also never make me a title, but in the end it is still my car and it is legal to drive.
You really need to know 2 things. What state did you buy the car? and What state are you trying to title it. I assume by your comment above you are trying to register it in Missouri. I believe Missouri requires a title on ALL cars regardless of age in order to register it, but you will have to review there rules. The link I gave you above will get you going in the right direction. As for the state you bought the car. all states are different, if that state does not title older cars, then all you will need is a Bill of Sale. If the state you bought the car requires a title then you will have issues.
Just call or go by your DMV. I just went through this very same thing in Alabama and it can be done, you just need to know the rules. Alabama will not title any car that is over 35 years old but I had no issues getting the car registered. They will also never make me a title, but in the end it is still my car and it is legal to drive.
You really need to know 2 things. What state did you buy the car? and What state are you trying to title it. I assume by your comment above you are trying to register it in Missouri. I believe Missouri requires a title on ALL cars regardless of age in order to register it, but you will have to review there rules. The link I gave you above will get you going in the right direction. As for the state you bought the car. all states are different, if that state does not title older cars, then all you will need is a Bill of Sale. If the state you bought the car requires a title then you will have issues.
Maybe because you did not say you went to the DMV, and yes, you are right common SENSE is not so common today. What did you say " I kinda jumped the gun ". Common sense would tell me if I lived in a state that required a title, I would probably look at it. I was just trying to give you some input to your original post, sorry for trying to help. Good luck.
Maybe I was a little unclear but how did I figure out I had a problem in the first place I apologize for not being clear and for my last post I'm just kinda upset for the mistake I made I do appreciate the help but I'm being told the same thing
Every car I bought out of state required a signed notarized title and a bill of sale. Also I know you can't sell a car that is not in your name. The seller should have transferred it to their name ( and paid the taxes because we all know that is what it is all about). Only then can they sell it to you. They previous owner may help you unless they are less than moral in which case they will charge you extra to legalize your title.
The below is directly from the Missiouri DMV website: It all depends on what state the car was bought from. The original OP never said where the car was bought or last titled, only that the last title was from out-of-state.
Vehicles Bought Out-of-State (Not in Missouri)
New Vehicle Bought Out-of-State – You must receive the dealer’s invoice or a bill of
sale and assigned Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin from the out-of-state dealer. You
(the purchaser) and the dealer must complete the odometer disclosure portion on the back
of the Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin.
Used Vehicle Bought Out-of-State – You must receive either a properly assigned title (see page 3
for an explanation) from the seller or a reassigned title from the dealer. If the state does not require
a title, you must get a bill of sale. The bill of sale must include the seller and purchaser’s name, address,
signature, purchase date, purchase price, year, make, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle being sold.
Vehicles Bought Out-of-State (Not in Missouri)
New Vehicle Bought Out-of-State – You must receive the dealer’s invoice or a bill of
sale and assigned Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin from the out-of-state dealer. You
(the purchaser) and the dealer must complete the odometer disclosure portion on the back
of the Manufacturer’s Statement of Origin.
Used Vehicle Bought Out-of-State – You must receive either a properly assigned title (see page 3
for an explanation) from the seller or a reassigned title from the dealer. If the state does not require
a title, you must get a bill of sale. The bill of sale must include the seller and purchaser’s name, address,
signature, purchase date, purchase price, year, make, and vehicle identification number of the
vehicle being sold.
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