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Old Jun 4, 2014 | 03:01 AM
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Hello, Olds People

My name is Dave and I joined this forum because I would like to build a totally beastin' Olds 215 for my Sand Rail. It currently has a pretty stout Buick 215 but I was hoping to be able to massage more out of the Olds motor. I recently purchased a block. Now...... where do I start?


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Old Jun 4, 2014 | 04:39 AM
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Errra, the Buick 215 and Olds 215 are the same engine.
Old Jun 4, 2014 | 07:09 AM
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Thank You for the reply. It is great to have all this information and assistance available. I have learned in my travels that while the two engines are essentially the same, there is one pretty substantial difference. I am guessing this makes a big difference in the HP game and that is that the Olds block has 1 more head bolt per cylinder. 6 total instead of 5. The Buick blocks have a pretty big gap between the top two head bolts on the intake side. This sometimes leads to head gasket issues with higher compression engines.
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Old Jun 4, 2014 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldsmaniac
Errra, the Buick 215 and Olds 215 are the same engine.
Yeah, except for the block, heads, pistons, valvetrain, and valve covers...
Old Jun 4, 2014 | 10:44 PM
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Here are Some pics of said Sand Rail with Buick 215
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Old Jun 4, 2014 | 11:06 PM
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Damn, that thing looks bitchin' and welcome
Old Jun 4, 2014 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pherbicide
Damn, that thing looks bitchin' and welcome
Thank You on both fronts.
Old Jun 5, 2014 | 06:11 AM
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Welcome to the site, awesome rig.
Old Jun 5, 2014 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by moondog0393555
Thank You for the reply. It is great to have all this information and assistance available. I have learned in my travels that while the two engines are essentially the same, there is one pretty substantial difference. I am guessing this makes a big difference in the HP game and that is that the Olds block has 1 more head bolt per cylinder. 6 total instead of 5. The Buick blocks have a pretty big gap between the top two head bolts on the intake side. This sometimes leads to head gasket issues with higher compression engines.
Thanks again
I thank you for that info. Never to late to learn something.
Old Jun 5, 2014 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldsmaniac
I thank you for that info. Never to late to learn something.
The basic engine architecture was Buick (as evidenced by the front distributor and the commonality with the Buick V6), but Olds designed their own proprietary heads. This resulted in changes to the combustion chamber design, necessitating the different pistons, the block due to the extra head bolt holes, and the valvetrain (also due to the extra head bolts).

Actually, all 215 blocks have the bosses for the extra head bolt holes, but Buick and Rover blocks don't have them drilled.
Old Jun 5, 2014 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by moondog0393555
Here are Some pics of said Sand Rail with Buick 215
Very cool. I assume that's a KEP adapter plate?
Old Jun 5, 2014 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Very cool. I assume that's a KEP adapter plate?
Yes Sir, To a Mendeola MD4S Transaxle. Are you pretty hip on the 215s?
Old Jun 6, 2014 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by moondog0393555
Yes Sir, To a Mendeola MD4S Transaxle. Are you pretty hip on the 215s?
I've got a few - Olds, Buick, and Rover. Actually, the Rover is a 4.6 liter short block that is getting Olds heads (and a stud-mount rocker conversion to avoid the oiling problem), slated for my 62 wagon.
Old Jun 6, 2014 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
I've got a few - Olds, Buick, and Rover. Actually, the Rover is a 4.6 liter short block that is getting Olds heads (and a stud-mount rocker conversion to avoid the oiling problem), slated for my 62 wagon.
The Rover has 4 bolt mains?


Are all olds 215s basically the same. heads, cranks etc.? I have the opportunity to pick up a 2bbl complete motor and am wondering if I would get better internals from a 4bbl motor? Thanks again for your help
Old Jun 6, 2014 | 10:03 PM
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Old Jun 7, 2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by moondog0393555
The Rover has 4 bolt mains?
Yes, the later ones, like my 4.6, have cross-bolted mains.

Are all olds 215s basically the same. heads, cranks etc.? I have the opportunity to pick up a 2bbl complete motor and am wondering if I would get better internals from a 4bbl motor? Thanks again for your help
The pistons and heads were different from 2bbl to 4bbl Olds motors. The 4bbl heads had smaller chambers.
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