Purchased this car on Friday. The engine appears to match the vin, although it appears to have been painted a red color. Which leads me to believe it may have been rebuilt. I think it should have been gold??? It's the 330 2BBL type O axle with 3.08 Tube code (SC). It has the 3 on the tree. There was a very tattered build sheet in the car that is currently bein scanned in. You can barely make out some of the codes across the top of the sheet. I'm assuming it belongs to the car. I will post some pics as soon as I have it scanned in. Very Very fragile.

It's a freemont car. It hasAC, PB,PS, thought it had cruise control because of the image below. What is attached to the throttle linkage ??? (Round object)

Any help on hone cowl would be great. Early build body code as well.

 

Here is the car, unable to upload multiple small pics for some reason

 

Same issue

 

I bet that 330 with a three on the tree is a fun street car around town

 

Olds didn't start stamping a VIN derivative on the engine until the 1968 model year, so there's no such thing as a "numbers-matching" pre-1968 Oldsmobile.

See this thread.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...eal-442-a.html


I don't think so. It's actually a late build code. It says "04C" on the cowl tag, which indicates 3rd week of April, so that would be April 67, only about two or three months before production of 1967 models ceased to make way for the '68s. Production of 1967 models would have begun way back in the summer of 1966.

 

Thats a throttle linkage from an automatic car.

 

Oh, perhaps it's just a coincidence then that the number stamped on the head.

 

Here is head

 

I'm a little confused. The upper photo is of the VIN plate on the door pillar. It says 336177Z115540, which translates to a 1967 Cutlass V-8 2-door hardtop built at Fremont, California.

The lower photo shows a stamped number on the engine that says W455407L. What exactly is matching between that and the VIN? The fact that the middle of this number is 5540, which are the same as the last four of the VIN? That doesn't make it matching. You're right, that's just a coincidence. If nothing else, the VIN derivative on the engine should start with a 3 to indicate that it is an Oldsmobile engine.

Here's a quote from tech guru Joe Padavano from another thread talking about what a VIN derivative should look like. In this example, he was talking about a 1974 model.

"The VIN-derivative is a nine character number. The first character will always be "3" for Oldsmobile Division. The second will be the year of manufacture - a "4" for 1974. The third character is usually a letter and designates the manufacturing plant (M = Lansing, Z = Freemont, CA, etc.). This letter must match the seventh character of the VIN. The last six digits of the VIN-derivative match the last six of the VIN from the car that the motor was originally installed in. All numbers must match (hence the term "numbers matching") for this to be the original engine."

 

Just a by chance some of those numbers match. they have nothing to do with each other.

What's the block casting number and and the head letter code. Red motor you sure its not a 425 that got dropped in it?

 

394417 block casting
394497 head casting

It's definitely a small block

 

1964-67 V-8 Engine:
Code is stamped on the right cylinder head. Unfortunately, this only applies to what was originally the driver's side head. This code consists of a prefix letter (330 V8=T(1964-65) or W(1966-67), 400 V8 = V), then a production sequence number, followed by a suffix code letter (L = Low compression, E = 2-bbl export, G = High compression, H = 4-bbl export). A 2-letter code on the oil filler tube identified the engine.

This is what I read on 442.com
I misread the part about a sequential number. The heads do code to a 67 as it has the W,.

 

Yes, the number stamped on the engine does tell you something. I never said it didn't. In your case, the engine is a low-compression '66/'67 330. But it doesn't tell you anything about what car it was originally installed in.

 

It does in a roundabout way. If you have the protecto plate booklet, the booklet has the VIN of the car listed. It also has the head suffix listed. So the head number matches the POP, and the POP has the VIN. But no POP no way to verify what car the engine came from.

 

Originally purchased this as a donor car for engine brackets, etc... for the 442 - Leaning now towards keeping it together and turning it into a driver car... Threw a battery in it to see if it would turn over and it does. Will be putting a coil on it today and hooking up some vacuum lines to see if it will start.

Concerned with the rust that exists below the front and rear windshields.

Highly optioned car, including power antenna and a rear speaker option.. The rear speaker grill was left in the car but the seats were removed so i'm not entirely sure that the car is supposed to have in there. don't care much for the blue interior but it will have to do. I also like the rear air shock system it has in place.

 

Its a Cutlass - not F-85 -- F-85 would be 33407 ( iirc)

 

What is attached to the throttle linkage ?
That is a throttle linkage for an automatic trans -- its an electric kick-down switch - should NOT be on a stick car!!

 

According to the 67 service Manual 33617 is an F85 Deluxe car. I'm not entirely sure what the differences are though

 

The automatic trans throttle kickdown switch shows in this pic. I suppose it is possible that the car was switched from automatic to stick?

 

As I am going through the car I have noticed a few other non matching parts. The car has all three pedals and the gauge bezel does not have the PRND21 cutout - but then the kickdown is there - not sure what doesn't belong as they do contradict each other. Hopefully someone on here can decode the vin in some form/fashion to help me figure out what is supposed to be there.

 

Look at the Zbar bracket on the frame. It will be welded on from the factory. Nice smooth even clean weld. If it's not a neat clean job it's likely to be a shop conversion.

Henry

 

Youre correct --- my sorta bad --- 33407 is code for STD F-85 and 33617 is both F-85 Deluxe and regular Cutlass --- Also it designates its a Hardtop ( no post) and the standard F-85 in 67 could not get Holiday hardtop -- the 2 drs were all post cars.

I, myself am not quite sure what the difference is between a F-85 Deluxe and a regular Cutlass?? --- quite a difference in the Cutlass Supreme though.

Maybe its the same with 2 diff names? In the tag decode section it lists the group beginning 336 as Group F-85 and 'Model"- Cutlass - which leads me to believe that it must be the exterior trim difference and the steering wheels are different - the Std has horn center button -- Deluxe has spoke buttons. May be some other subtle differences?

 

I'll be honest - I like the exterior trim on this f85/cutlass - where the 442/CS have the wide trim down the side - this car has a thin sleek chrome strip along the bottom and it looks sharp. Its not easy to see in the photos I've posted and the PS door strip has been removed and its in the trunk but as I said. I like it. Also my steering wheel does have horn buttons on the spokes

 

I will take a look and try to get a clear image and post it.

 

To Clear some things up.
I believe that since the Service Manuals are printed way ahead of time they used 1966 as a reference.

In 1966 there was a
F-85 3407 Post
F-85 Deluxe 3617 Hardtop (Same interior as 3807)
Cutlass Sport Coupe 3807 Post (Same interior as 3617)
Cutlass Holiday Coupe 3817 Hardtop

In 1967 the First Wholesale Order Forms (June "66) named the 3500-3600's as Deluxe.

In Sept. '66 Wholesale Order Forms they named them Cutlass for the 3500-3600's.

So Oldsmobile just wanted to get all the A bodies smaller.

Mike

 

Great, thanks for the info. I will call it a broad curved sword from now on...

 

I see "no rust"
A/C car
you say it's a 3-onna-tree - show some pics?

That car deserves to be saved.

Cover the holes with sealer and DRIVE IT.

Red 330: poor man's big block.
Probably the only color available at the store that day.

 

Will be taking more pics and get you some shots of the rust.

 

One more thing, the Cutlass Supremes were the only '67's that had the rear back up lights in the middle part of the bumper.
The Cutlass's had them in the bumper outside.
Notice the CLEAR back up lights in the bumper.

Mike

 

[QUOTE=Chesrown 67 OAI;608572]Youre correct --- my sorta bad --- 33407 is code for STD F-85 and 33617 is both F-85 Deluxe and regular Cutlass --- Also it designates its a Hardtop ( no post) and the standard F-85 in 67 could not get Holiday hardtop -- the 2 drs were all post cars.

does this mean there were no 67 442s with this 33617 code and the smaller lower trim.

years ago in NC I came across a 67 442 with this thinner looking f-85 deluxe trim and the guy swore the car was a real 442. from my research the 442 in 67 was not available like this... only avail in the supreame / sport coupe body style.

oh and I have the missing lower door trim in one of the pics of the car if someone wants it.

 

[QUOTE=lunaboy;608645] It is accepted that 442's were only available on the Cutlass Supreme model 338XXX in 1967 anyway

 

Here is a shot of the Z-Bar Bracket. The Instrument Panel does not have the PRND gauge and so I believe this to be a Standard 3/tree however I started to pull numbers off the transmission and it codes to a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro - 3 Speed Saginaw - Not sure what was done to make that work - Adapter plate maybe.. In any event its coming out in the next few weeks.

Code on Transmission
3858986
C17

 

That SAginaw 3-speed is a direct same fit as a 4-speed Muncie -- drive shaft length same too. I would venture to guess that you car was converted, now that you show the weld on the z-bar bracket. The dash bezel is a quick and easy replacement. Hardest part of that conversion would have been to change out the steering column which must have been what was done!! Anyway its still a nice car!!

 

67 442s were Cutlass Supremes and that entailed the lower big molding. The belt molding (along the window sills) was an option for the wider one, the thinner was standard.

 

Car started up on first crank after installing a coil, inline fuel filter and a battery. I still need to get a radiator, drain and change the oil and replace all the lights. I also need to replace the DS brake Drum because all but one stud is broke. I was pretty lucky to get this car for $400. Previous owner bought the trailer the car was sitting on just wanted it gone.

 

Great ride & much like & miles with it. The pic wasn't to clear but u may be seeing the switch pitch converter switch on the back of the linkage. I own q 67 330 as well so stay in touch. You will find tons of help & info on this site. The people on here are loaded with knowledge beyond what may even be normal. LOL ! Stay in touch & enjoy the new girl. Ace

 

Thanks, I am currently working on getting the car driveable - to date I've installed a coil, ignition switch/key, running lights, in line fuel filter and a battery. I need to pick up a radiator, radiator cover, vacuum hoses, master cylinder, brake drum/hubs need to be replaced but will suffice for now. Once the mechanicals are taken care of - the only real problem with the car is the rust around the windshield and back glass. its rotted through and will not seal if I don't get it replaced... oh and I don't have a left turn signal... switch needs replacing.

 

Cool find, is it a bench seat car?

 

I assume it was originally - there currently are not any seats in the car. It does not have a hole in the floor and its currently set up with a 3 on the tree column shift....

 

Yeah I caught the trans part. Although I learned to drive with 3 on a tree, I don't think I would want one in a Cutlass. I think a nice 4 speed would be in order.