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Old Sep 12, 2020 | 12:18 PM
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Is this original upholstery?

Hi everyone.

The huge picture below is the interior of my New Jersey-built 1970 Cutlass 4 door sedan. I'm wondering, is this original? It looks original, but it's not anywhere close to what's in my Lansing car, a Reef Turquois car also with dark green interior. It has that shiny cloth with pleats. The rest of the interior is the same, door panels, carpet, dash, etc.

Maybe the Aspen Green cars got this instead?

I looked at the data plate and I think it said the interior code was 922 (no Z). Also, no Broadcast card, nor did it look like there ever was one. Did the Jersey cars not have them there?



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Old Sep 14, 2020 | 04:17 PM
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No one? Okay then. Would have figured someone would have something to say. No worries.






Old Sep 14, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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I've not seen one like that. I don't think it is original.
Old Sep 14, 2020 | 05:05 PM
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I don't know man, looks pretty OG to me. Why, are you looking to replace?
Old Sep 14, 2020 | 05:34 PM
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Eventually it will get replaced. The tops of the seats are split and there's a few blemishes here and there. I was just curious if this was original because I've never seen another one, and it doesn't look like something that's been redone. But it's pretty ugly. Being a 4 door sedan there isn't a lot of value to keeping it original, but I do have original paperwork and I would find it ashame to make drastic changes that don't match the documentation. I'm probably the only one who would think that.


Old Sep 14, 2020 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by slantflat
...it's pretty ugly....
Whatever you replace that ugly looking sofa material with will be an improvement.
Old Sep 14, 2020 | 08:16 PM
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It almost looks like heavy duty , taxi / police / fleet material .
Old Sep 15, 2020 | 04:30 PM
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Looks like factory cheap seats to me
Old Sep 15, 2020 | 05:28 PM
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The seats have been recovered. The door panels are original. Hope she is serving you well.

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Old Sep 15, 2020 | 05:51 PM
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Don this isn't the car I got from you, it's another one I got last week, all green.

So the build sheet doesn't say anything except *A52 CONV BENCH ST . I'm guessing that means conventional, not convertible. Trim code is indeed 922. Both the front and back seat backrests have the green vinyl band running across the width of the seat about 2/3 down from the top.

I'm gonna have to go look on my other cars' data plates to see what the trim code is. I need to figure this out now. Thanks everyone for responding.



Old Sep 15, 2020 | 07:19 PM
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Could also be seats out of another GM brand.
Old Sep 16, 2020 | 03:03 AM
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Well surprise surprise. I got the bright idea to text the guy I bought the car from and asked him if the seats had ever been recovered. His father in law bought it new in 70 so before me it was a one family car. He said they had. Case closed! I'm kind of relieved that an Oldsmobile didn't leave the factory with something that ugly.

Thanks everyone who offered their opinions and insights. This really did stump me. Whoever did the recover did a really good job.



Old Sep 16, 2020 | 09:01 AM
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It looks like the material I have seen on truck seats .
Very rugged material .
Old Sep 16, 2020 | 02:23 PM
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I'm late to the party, but here are my two cents...

Flip the seats over and take a close look at the hogrings and that will answer your question 99% of the time.

OEM hogrings were round, and put on by a big *** pneumatic hogring tool with a magazine of hogrings so they could put them on fast one after another (and if you've ever stripped an original seat you know that sometimes they put a TON on where one would do!!!)
Most trim shops do it by hand individually and those kind of hogrings form a Triangle after they are closed.

So if they are triangular, the cover has been off and reinstalled before. If they are ROUND, then most likely its the way the general made it.




Old Sep 16, 2020 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RAMBOW
I'm late to the party, but here are my two cents...

Flip the seats over and take a close look at the hogrings and that will answer your question 99% of the time.

OEM hogrings were round, and put on by a big *** pneumatic hogring tool with a magazine of hogrings so they could put them on fast one after another (and if you've ever stripped an original seat you know that sometimes they put a TON on where one would do!!!)
Most trim shops do it by hand individually and those kind of hogrings form a Triangle after they are closed.

So if they are triangular, the cover has been off and reinstalled before. If they are ROUND, then most likely its the way the general made it.
^^That is a brilliant idea - good call. I have a hog-ring tool (I've owned several in my life time), and I've purchased hog-rings as well. Oddly enough, my current hog-ring pliers and the hog-rings I purchase from Legendary Interiors creates a nearly perfect triangle for each hog ring I crimp. Good call on checking the hog-rings and the number of hog-rings though.
Old Sep 18, 2020 | 04:11 PM
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So I was looking at the car today and the hog rings on the back seat were "triangle." Actually more of a tapered square but definitely not round. Maybe whoever redid the seat took my Broadcast card.



Old Sep 18, 2020 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by slantflat
Maybe whoever redid the seat took my Broadcast card.
They're a low-life if they stole it from you, Mike!

I didn't find anything in my '71 CS. I've re-upholstered the rear seat & seat back, and I have installed new carpeting - thus far nothing. I believe the stamps on the firewall are original & not re-stamp reproductions. The only place left on my car to check for anything is above the gas tank. I don't believe the gas tank has been removed on this car from the best I can tell. But, it's a Lansing vehicle so I'm not holding my breath.
Old Sep 18, 2020 | 05:17 PM
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Eh, they didn't steal it from me Norm, it was gone long before I got the car. I do have the build sheet, don't know where it was found but I have it.

Old Sep 18, 2020 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by slantflat
Eh, they didn't steal it from me Norm, it was gone long before I got the car.
I know, Mike. I'd like to find some stuff in my car...chances are I won't.
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