1976 Hurst Olds
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You proved to me nothing!!! I have showed info proving these car do exist. Waiting to hear next that a previous owner or someone else installed the 455 and T-Tops. Lol
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http://www.73-77olds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3697 what's up with this car then? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/328896...tlass-supreme/
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Still debating??? this other car is a factory Cutlass with 455, T-tops, & special paint, the owner added other Hurst options to his desires but this does not make it an H/O.
Well, I'll repeat stuff one last time. Remember I said that 442 dot com's statement started with a vehicle which you just found it. That Orange-Red caused a stir years ago. Nice car, and some documentation.
Good that you pointed out both the 73-77 Olds forum and Car Domain because they show conflicting statements! One says the dual gate was factory installed while other says Hurst shipped it to him for the dealer to install before delivery.
Car has window sticker showing it has 455, T-tops, and special paint which is factory correct, but guess what? Did not retain dealer invoice showing the extra Hurst shifter and emblems added equals no proof to that story. Sure, back in the day you could have a dealer add extra stuff added as desired which is what they say was done with this car and could be believable but the point is that the factory did not do it! One of the two references you shown said so.
But for a low mileage, unique, documented car this is what I seen about it: The dual gate shifter panel is reproduction as is the added H/O roof emblem. So if this car was done special at dealer in 1976 why did they not retain those documents? Those repo items were not even available back then and should have NOS correct parts if done in '76.
But this car's history is objective, just read both storys. Sure anything is possible and can believe but the fact is that it is a car just like the subject one in that it came from the factory with 455 and optional t-tops. Only it has special order paint. Anybody could have added those extra Hurst items including at the dealer but newer reproduction stuff suggests it was done later. The subject car on this thread has later reproduction H/O qtr panel decal also. The Hurst Equipped emblem came about in the sixties around the time the Hurst wheels and shifters were popular but the fact is it was never installed by Hurst on any production H/O. It too is reproduced and believe there are a couple variants of it. Also more than one reproduction H/O emblems & decals out there, and none are exact as they were originally I've found.
The Hurst Heritage, Hurst Source Book, and the new Hurst Equipped books are good references. Actually the Hurst Heritage has three different printings which I have all, and the new book is great but should have been proof read better because it does have several mistakes I'm sure other member can concur on.
Still not sure what kind of proof you are looking for? Those with these cars have the burden to prove what they are and this Red-Orange probably has the most docs of one of these cars but hasn't proved facts other than what it is. The fact is that the 455 was last used in the Cutlass in '76, Hurst T-tops were available in the Cutlass in '76 & '77, the added H/O emblems & decals you find on these cars were added at some point but not the factory or Hurst, I'm done... though I could give a lesson on Prototype & Proposal cars because many concider them the same. But I'll just stick to the fact that Hurst had them and they are concidered real H/Os.
Well, I'll repeat stuff one last time. Remember I said that 442 dot com's statement started with a vehicle which you just found it. That Orange-Red caused a stir years ago. Nice car, and some documentation.
Good that you pointed out both the 73-77 Olds forum and Car Domain because they show conflicting statements! One says the dual gate was factory installed while other says Hurst shipped it to him for the dealer to install before delivery.
Car has window sticker showing it has 455, T-tops, and special paint which is factory correct, but guess what? Did not retain dealer invoice showing the extra Hurst shifter and emblems added equals no proof to that story. Sure, back in the day you could have a dealer add extra stuff added as desired which is what they say was done with this car and could be believable but the point is that the factory did not do it! One of the two references you shown said so.
But for a low mileage, unique, documented car this is what I seen about it: The dual gate shifter panel is reproduction as is the added H/O roof emblem. So if this car was done special at dealer in 1976 why did they not retain those documents? Those repo items were not even available back then and should have NOS correct parts if done in '76.
But this car's history is objective, just read both storys. Sure anything is possible and can believe but the fact is that it is a car just like the subject one in that it came from the factory with 455 and optional t-tops. Only it has special order paint. Anybody could have added those extra Hurst items including at the dealer but newer reproduction stuff suggests it was done later. The subject car on this thread has later reproduction H/O qtr panel decal also. The Hurst Equipped emblem came about in the sixties around the time the Hurst wheels and shifters were popular but the fact is it was never installed by Hurst on any production H/O. It too is reproduced and believe there are a couple variants of it. Also more than one reproduction H/O emblems & decals out there, and none are exact as they were originally I've found.
The Hurst Heritage, Hurst Source Book, and the new Hurst Equipped books are good references. Actually the Hurst Heritage has three different printings which I have all, and the new book is great but should have been proof read better because it does have several mistakes I'm sure other member can concur on.
Still not sure what kind of proof you are looking for? Those with these cars have the burden to prove what they are and this Red-Orange probably has the most docs of one of these cars but hasn't proved facts other than what it is. The fact is that the 455 was last used in the Cutlass in '76, Hurst T-tops were available in the Cutlass in '76 & '77, the added H/O emblems & decals you find on these cars were added at some point but not the factory or Hurst, I'm done... though I could give a lesson on Prototype & Proposal cars because many concider them the same. But I'll just stick to the fact that Hurst had them and they are concidered real H/Os.
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Still debating??? this other car is a factory Cutlass with 455, T-tops, & special paint, the owner added other Hurst options to his desires but this does not make it an H/O.
Well, I'll repeat stuff one last time. Remember I said that 442 dot com's statement started with a vehicle which you just found it. That Orange-Red caused a stir years ago. Nice car, and some documentation.
Good that you pointed out both the 73-77 Olds forum and Car Domain because they show conflicting statements! One says the dual gate was factory installed while other says Hurst shipped it to him for the dealer to install before delivery.
Car has window sticker showing it has 455, T-tops, and special paint which is factory correct, but guess what? Did not retain dealer invoice showing the extra Hurst shifter and emblems added equals no proof to that story. Sure, back in the day you could have a dealer add extra stuff added as desired which is what they say was done with this car and could be believable but the point is that the factory did not do it! One of the two references you shown said so.
But for a low mileage, unique, documented car this is what I seen about it: The dual gate shifter panel is reproduction as is the added H/O roof emblem. So if this car was done special at dealer in 1976 why did they not retain those documents? Those repo items were not even available back then and should have NOS correct parts if done in '76.
But this car's history is objective, just read both storys. Sure anything is possible and can believe but the fact is that it is a car just like the subject one in that it came from the factory with 455 and optional t-tops. Only it has special order paint. Anybody could have added those extra Hurst items including at the dealer but newer reproduction stuff suggests it was done later. The subject car on this thread has later reproduction H/O qtr panel decal also. The Hurst Equipped emblem came about in the sixties around the time the Hurst wheels and shifters were popular but the fact is it was never installed by Hurst on any production H/O. It too is reproduced and believe there are a couple variants of it. Also more than one reproduction H/O emblems & decals out there, and none are exact as they were originally I've found.
The Hurst Heritage, Hurst Source Book, and the new Hurst Equipped books are good references. Actually the Hurst Heritage has three different printings which I have all, and the new book is great but should have been proof read better because it does have several mistakes I'm sure other member can concur on.
Still not sure what kind of proof you are looking for? Those with these cars have the burden to prove what they are and this Red-Orange probably has the most docs of one of these cars but hasn't proved facts other than what it is. The fact is that the 455 was last used in the Cutlass in '76, Hurst T-tops were available in the Cutlass in '76 & '77, the added H/O emblems & decals you find on these cars were added at some point but not the factory or Hurst, I'm done... though I could give a lesson on Prototype & Proposal cars because many concider them the same. But I'll just stick to the fact that Hurst had them and they are concidered real H/Os.
Well, I'll repeat stuff one last time. Remember I said that 442 dot com's statement started with a vehicle which you just found it. That Orange-Red caused a stir years ago. Nice car, and some documentation.
Good that you pointed out both the 73-77 Olds forum and Car Domain because they show conflicting statements! One says the dual gate was factory installed while other says Hurst shipped it to him for the dealer to install before delivery.
Car has window sticker showing it has 455, T-tops, and special paint which is factory correct, but guess what? Did not retain dealer invoice showing the extra Hurst shifter and emblems added equals no proof to that story. Sure, back in the day you could have a dealer add extra stuff added as desired which is what they say was done with this car and could be believable but the point is that the factory did not do it! One of the two references you shown said so.
But for a low mileage, unique, documented car this is what I seen about it: The dual gate shifter panel is reproduction as is the added H/O roof emblem. So if this car was done special at dealer in 1976 why did they not retain those documents? Those repo items were not even available back then and should have NOS correct parts if done in '76.
But this car's history is objective, just read both storys. Sure anything is possible and can believe but the fact is that it is a car just like the subject one in that it came from the factory with 455 and optional t-tops. Only it has special order paint. Anybody could have added those extra Hurst items including at the dealer but newer reproduction stuff suggests it was done later. The subject car on this thread has later reproduction H/O qtr panel decal also. The Hurst Equipped emblem came about in the sixties around the time the Hurst wheels and shifters were popular but the fact is it was never installed by Hurst on any production H/O. It too is reproduced and believe there are a couple variants of it. Also more than one reproduction H/O emblems & decals out there, and none are exact as they were originally I've found.
The Hurst Heritage, Hurst Source Book, and the new Hurst Equipped books are good references. Actually the Hurst Heritage has three different printings which I have all, and the new book is great but should have been proof read better because it does have several mistakes I'm sure other member can concur on.
Still not sure what kind of proof you are looking for? Those with these cars have the burden to prove what they are and this Red-Orange probably has the most docs of one of these cars but hasn't proved facts other than what it is. The fact is that the 455 was last used in the Cutlass in '76, Hurst T-tops were available in the Cutlass in '76 & '77, the added H/O emblems & decals you find on these cars were added at some point but not the factory or Hurst, I'm done... though I could give a lesson on Prototype & Proposal cars because many concider them the same. But I'll just stick to the fact that Hurst had them and they are concidered real H/Os.
Last edited by Mikel7099; Sep 24, 2013 at 09:34 AM.
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Well, per the orange car in question, what's to explain? As the current owner has stated, it's a 1976 Cutlass Supreme that was ordered with Hurst/Hatches, the original owner then had the dealer replace the stock shifter with a dual gate he ordered from Hurst, really no mystery.
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Well, per the orange car in question, what's to explain? As the current owner has stated, it's a 1976 Cutlass Supreme that was ordered with Hurst/Hatches, the original owner then had the dealer replace the stock shifter with a dual gate he ordered from Hurst, really no mystery.
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Come on guys. Should be pretty obvious by now that you all are being goaded by a newbie that has no intention of learning, and his only intention is to agitate. And you are being far too accommodating to his antics.
"You cannot win an argument by being right".
"Never argue with someone who insists on being ignorant"
You get the idea. Don't waste your time, let him ramble on. The rest of us know better.
"You cannot win an argument by being right".
"Never argue with someone who insists on being ignorant"
You get the idea. Don't waste your time, let him ramble on. The rest of us know better.
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Come on guys. Should be pretty obvious by now that you all are being goaded by a newbie that has no intention of learning, and his only intention is to agitate. And you are being far too accommodating to his antics.
"You cannot win an argument by being right".
"Never argue with someone who insists on being ignorant"
You get the idea. Don't waste your time, let him ramble on. The rest of us know better.
"You cannot win an argument by being right".
"Never argue with someone who insists on being ignorant"
You get the idea. Don't waste your time, let him ramble on. The rest of us know better.
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Maybe he/she/it is the neighbor in the OP! There would obviously be a vested interest in setting up a '76-'77 Cutlass as a purported H/O.
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First gen 68 -69 got olds around the 400ci rule gm had on a body cars and were in some people mind a very good looking package with stripes , spoilers and paint . The second gen Just brought more class to the already nice olds stable pace car, convert added to the apeal . Third 73-75 was just a attempt to keep people comming in to look at cars when hp was down and class was in . Fourth generation 79 to 84 they upped the moter in 79 to a 350 that was from what I know only avalable in the hurst with the dual gate and paint White and gold my choice and the black and gold they put olds in the hun again with the other pony/ performance cars This is just my take on the cars as a long time follower of the hurst any one have anything to add to my info Feel free
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First gen 68 -69 got olds around the 400ci rule gm had on a body cars and were in some people mind a very good looking package with stripes , spoilers and paint . The second gen Just brought more class to the already nice olds stable pace car, convert added to the apeal . Third 73-75 was just a attempt to keep people comming in to look at cars when hp was down and class was in . Fourth generation 79 to 84 they upped the moter in 79 to a 350 that was from what I know only avalable in the hurst with the dual gate and paint White and gold my choice and the black and gold they put olds in the hun again with the other pony/ performance cars This is just my take on the cars as a long time follower of the hurst any one have anything to add to my info Feel free
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Now i know you dont know crap about these companies and just here to troll. Hurst is obviously still in business and they still make Hurst packaged cars still.
Olds did not fail, GM just chose to get rid of them as the Buicks showed more interest to foreign countries (Japan mainly). Olds was outselling Buicks when they got rid of the company.
Go back under your bridge, or find a different forum to troll on please.
Olds did not fail, GM just chose to get rid of them as the Buicks showed more interest to foreign countries (Japan mainly). Olds was outselling Buicks when they got rid of the company.
Go back under your bridge, or find a different forum to troll on please.
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It's all cool. I am looking. I think if for some reason probably wouldn't be documented because like said not a real H/O. I don't it's a prototype or anything like that. All I was trying to find out is if maybe when the T-Tops were installed is it a possibility they also installed badges? Maybe like I think it was Joe who said maybe to promote the T-Tops? Because of what I found on Internet. Some guys are saying that the emblems on fender and sticker on quarter are reproductions by the pics. How can you tell? Let the OP know how to spot these things to verify on neighbors car to check. He might not know?
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Yes, it is totally possible that the factory or dealer installed the badging. Whether it is a legit install or not that is a whole other tale i would think. Reason i say that anything is possible is this: I have a friend who bought a 08(ish) GT/CS mustang. All of them came with a spoiler from the factory, well this guy knew someone who worked in the factory so he got the spoiler deleted from the factory, but it was not an option that was offered when ordering them.
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Well when i bought my H/O, it came with a set of repos. Original ones are a hard resin i think? Repos are plastic, at least the ones that i have... Other ways to tell would maybe be a part number on the back side of it or something? I am not sure but that is what i know from my experience on them
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Decal other than true size and placement would be hard better guys on here for that not a third gen hurst person. lots of info on hurstolds.com They have a hurst adviser on there for these cars also if im not mistaken might want to check with them.
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Well when i bought my H/O, it came with a set of repos. Original ones are a hard resin i think? Repos are plastic, at least the ones that i have... Other ways to tell would maybe be a part number on the back side of it or something? I am not sure but that is what i know from my experience on them
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the emblem on the side " Hurst Equipped " Came with shifters wheels and other hurst parts . I have one on my Rallye , was on the car when I got it . Have seen some mopar and lots of pontiac like the 65 gto that have them .
Decal other than true size and placement would be hard better guys on here for that not a third gen hurst person. lots of info on hurstolds.com They have a hurst adviser on there for these cars also if im not mistaken might want to check with them.
Decal other than true size and placement would be hard better guys on here for that not a third gen hurst person. lots of info on hurstolds.com They have a hurst adviser on there for these cars also if im not mistaken might want to check with them.
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Still a fugly car I can't belive all you guys stuck around so long here. There is no definitive proof mikel7099 is even a person. For all we know he is trying to get us all to belive our olds are worthless cars so that we can all once and for all forget about oldsmobile so he can have the last one on earth and prove it's the only one with out any competition or documentation who would question him lol.
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Lol. You are right I don't care what he thinks. Trying to find out facts.
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I had a 77 for a winter and it was a cool street strip car . To me the last car of the 70's to get my attention in stock form was the 73 h/o I like the lighter 80's g bodies. I like 73's then I skip a decade and like the g bodies. I almost bought an 83 h/o last month.
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I had a 77 for a winter and it was a cool street strip car . To me the last car of the 70's to get my attention in stock form was the 73 h/o I like the lighter 80's g bodies. I like 73's then I skip a decade and like the g bodies. I almost bought an 83 h/o last month.
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Thank you. I know it's not a HO. Never claimed it be but heard some came with what they called was a hurst option. Trying to find out info about that. I am the new lucky owner.
