looking at a 1970 442 4sp conv can someone tell me the info on this cowl tag.
st70 34467 e 881 bd
tr 979 50 h2nt

manifold driver side 402295 e head casting 396021f oiltube 0588915
vin 344670e178752

this a nut and bolt resto car is mint red and white int and top. wont budge from 60k. any comments appreciated. thanks

 

also looked for matching # on engine below # 1 plug with a mirror nothing there. i thinkk im looking in right spot. can it be behind bracket?

 

Yes, it could be behind a bracket. Here's some pictures of where it is.

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From your Cowl Tag
ST-70: 1970 model year
3-Oldsmobile Division of GM
44: model - 442
67: body style - convertible
E: Manufactured at Linden New Jersey
881: Body number (assigned by Fisher, not related to VIN)
TR 979: Saddle Interior
PNT 50 H: Bamboo lower body, Gold convertible top

I don't see your time build code anywhere. Usually it's stamped by the left cowl tag rivet. It provides the week/month that Fisher welded the body together and installed the interior trim prior to shipping the completed shell to the Assembly line. It would be much easier to see the information from a picture I think, instead of trying to transcribe it all.

So if your car is now red/white it's not the original colors it left the factory with.

VIN shows basically the same production information except for the last 6 digits. The 344 is recognized as authentication that the car orignally was produced as a 442. The last 6 numbers are the sequence it was scheduled for production at Linden (place on the assembly line - it was the 78752nd car produced for the model year. Production sequences started at 100001.

396021F is a 455 casting number. Check the stamping pad to see if the engine matches the VIN (John has great pics that show where to look)
E heads were typical non W30 1970 442 BB heads, same with the intake manifold. Nothing really special there.

 

Frame off?

 

If it's being advertised as a W30, no way. W30's were only produced at Lansing. More info about the car would be nice, pics would be nicer. 60K might be strong money for the car depending on what's been done, or not.

 

yes it is a frame off

 

i need to take off bracket to see if matching #

 

i can tell you that there is no patch work under the car.the ext, int. under hood, looks like it came out of show room. frame off nut and bolt resto done 3 yrs ago. owner put about 200 miles on car since his ownership.just need to check for that matching #. would that make it worth 60k. also the color is like a red/ orange color is that a stock color for that yr. thanks for the help

 

If you can get the mirror in there at the correct angle you may not have to remove any brackets. The picture I posted with the brackets was on a car with the fender removed. But you can see the pad is below the power steering to exhaust manifold bracket. Good Luck!

That's a lot of money but I don't really know the going price on a fully restored car like that. My feeling is that you could buy a pretty nice 442 with the W30 option for that price, which would be a much more desirable car.


John

 

I agree. Also it would be nice to see some pics of the restored car and what options it has. I looked at comparable 70 442s and they seem to be going for around 36-45K.

What makes this car worth 60K? Anyone who has done a restoration knows that a nut and bolt body off resto is going to cost more money than the car is worth to start with, unless it's an absolute rare/desirable model.

So what does this one have? A W27 rear axle? We know it's not a W30 and 1970 442's just don't command really high $$$, although the vert is somewhat more desirable IMO.

 

yes it has a w27 rear and ac.will try to post pictures

 

W27 rear axle and W27 rear differential cover are 2 completely different things. A W27 axle means the entire differential housing is aluminum, and it will have a W27 cover as well. If it does indeed have the W27 axle, it is a rare car.

 

Rare as in one-of-none. Since the W-27 was only factory-installed on W-30s and W-31s, which were only built in Lansing, this car could not have come with a W-27 axle from the factory. The easy test is to see if a magnet sticks to the rear axle center section. If it does, you just have a cover, which has been available repro for decades. If it truly does have an aluminum center section, the axle has been installed by a prior owner. A real W-27 axle is worth significant dollars by itself, but this car is just a Linden-built 442, as also evidenced by the "E" head castings.