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Old Jul 29, 2011 | 11:42 PM
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Cowl tag purchase

Does anyone know if it is legal to buy 66 442 cowl tag.

where can i buy it and how much are they on average.

Car I am looking at is the real deal with build sheet but missing the cowl tag, i suspect someone stole it or the owner sold it.

Any for sale let me know car is J code forrest green
Old Jul 30, 2011 | 04:13 AM
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If the owner sold the cowl tag, or if you even suspect that the owner sold the cowl tag, avoid that car.
You have no idea what else he may have done, and the originality of the build sheet is also in question - They make very good "distressed" reproductions these days.

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 06:10 AM
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The last cowl tag I bought cost $275 with the rivets.There is nothing illegal about reproducing a cowl tag. There's no VIN # info on them and I'm sure some of the internet police will tell you different. If you want to buy one,I'll get you the contact info.If the car was built in Lansing,there will not be a build sheet,if it was a Fremont built car or Framingham,there's a possibility of a build sheet. I've taken as many 66 A-Body cars apart as the next guy and I've never seen a Lansing built car with a build sheet. I have seen build sheets from Fremont but not Framingham. Just because the cowl tag is missing doesn't mean fraud,the 68 442 I have for sale in the parts cars for sale section is missing the cowl tag. Just look @ that car and tell me that fraud is possible. I think some animals ate the cowl tag.

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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 07:51 AM
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There is a place in Illinois that sells them. I agree not having a cowl tag isn't a huge deal if other items check out
Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:57 AM
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Just paint 2 - - on the cowl. Rare tag delete option.
Old Aug 1, 2011 | 12:22 AM
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cowl tag

Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
The last cowl tag I bought cost $275 with the rivets.There is nothing illegal about reproducing a cowl tag. There's no VIN # info on them and I'm sure some of the internet police will tell you different. If you want to buy one,I'll get you the contact info.If the car was built in Lansing,there will not be a build sheet,if it was a Fremont built car or Framingham,there's a possibility of a build sheet. I've taken as many 66 A-Body cars apart as the next guy and I've never seen a Lansing built car with a build sheet. I have seen build sheets from Fremont but not Framingham. Just because the cowl tag is missing doesn't mean fraud,the 68 442 I have for sale in the parts cars for sale section is missing the cowl tag. Just look @ that car and tell me that fraud is possible. I think some animals ate the cowl tag.

whats the best way to remove the old tag and install the new one with the rivets. trim tag rivets look shorter than your typical rivet. any tricks you can share.
Old Aug 1, 2011 | 12:22 AM
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I think there has been alot of fraud recently regarding cowl tag reprints on early 64-67 442's. I heard a company in IL will put 5v or 4v on the tag so long as you pay.

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Old Aug 1, 2011 | 04:21 AM
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I thought you said it was already missing the cowl tag?? In which case it would already be removed.

Originally Posted by CutlassLegend
whats the best way to remove the old tag and install the new one with the rivets. trim tag rivets look shorter than your typical rivet. any tricks you can share.
Old Aug 1, 2011 | 06:22 AM
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Something doesnt sound right here...Are you trying to make a car what it isnt and present it as so? And for what reason? Future resale? The VIN# for the vehicle is in more then one location on vehicles and can be verified if need be...if it is just missing a cowl tag you can still register it with the vin on the door opening or top of the dash. |The tags are reproduced but you usually need an imprint off the old one. If the tag is gone its probably a clone..leave it as such.
Old Aug 1, 2011 | 06:37 AM
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As I indicated originally, when questions like this come up, they never head in a good direction. Unfortunately, US GM's seemingly innocuous habit of not keeping detailed manufacturing records for a mundane consumer product forty or fifty years ago has created a situation which provides fertile ground for charlatans and forgers of paper and metal.

Honestly, it's evidence that a lot of these cars (and especially some similar cars of another make) are overvalued, but that's a different vitriolic argument .

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Old Aug 9, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Nevermind this possible clone junk. I found another J Code F85 that I am very happy and content with. The 66 442 above with the missing cowl tag and apparent cut outs for the fender emblems is to sketchy for me. Again thank you all for you advise and I am glad I did not purchase this headache.
Old Aug 9, 2011 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 442scotty
Something doesnt sound right here...Are you trying to make a car what it isnt and present it as so? And for what reason? Future resale? The VIN# for the vehicle is in more then one location on vehicles and can be verified if need be...if it is just missing a cowl tag you can still register it with the vin on the door opening or top of the dash. |The tags are reproduced but you usually need an imprint off the old one. If the tag is gone its probably a clone..leave it as such.
Nevermind this possible clone junk. I found another J Code F85 that I am very happy and content with. The 66 442 above with the missing cowl tag and apparent cut outs for the fender emblems is to sketchy for me. Again thank you all for you advise and I am glad I did not purchase this headache.
Old Aug 9, 2011 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 66ninetyeightls
I thought you said it was already missing the cowl tag?? In which case it would already be removed.

FYI 66ninetyeights. I understand that my question was a little unclear and sounded as if I wanted to do this cowl tag clone junk, but I did not state it right. I wanted to know what you guys thought and knew of this and how to remove them so I can see exactly what the owner of this nightmare car did. I am a firm beleiver in orignal cars see my 66 F85 thread. Nevermind this possible clone junk. I found another J Code F85 that I am very happy and content with. The 66 442 above with the missing cowl tag and apparent cut outs for the fender emblems is to sketchy for me. Again thank you all for you advise and I am glad I did not purchase this headache.
Old Aug 9, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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Not illegal at all. Pick any options you want, and order up your trim tag.

http://trimtags.com/

This company (and dozens of reproduction parts houses) are proof that people pay WAY too much for "numbers matching" crap. You can hack and weld together anything, reproduce paperwork, etc., then sell it at Barrett-Jackson to some filthy rich investor that doesn't know any better.
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