Hi everyone,

New guy here, I've been looking at a few Cutlasses for sale in the Phoenix area. Below is the cowl tag from a 67 Cutlass out of the Freemont plant. The car has 442 badging, grill and hood. I can not find what the following codes mean... H47651 and 14 587. Please help as this car is a serious contender, Thank you, your knowledge is much appreciated.

The car in question is listed on Hemmings website for sale. https://www.hemmings.com/auction/196...ile-442-322399

POP attached, please decipher for me. Thank you.

 

Since the Fremont cowl tags do not have the ACC code for the 442 option, I think every car out of Fremont is a Faux Four Two now.

ST67 = 1967 model year
33817 = Oldsmobile (3) Cutlass Supreme (38) Holiday Coupe (17)
BF = Fremont assembly plant
02784 = Fisher Body sequence code
TR984 = Champagne bench seat interior
TS = Cameo Ivory (T) lower body color with Champagne (S) upper body color
B80 = stainless drip rail moldings (standard on the Supreme)

The remaining numbers are Fremont-unique and are job numbers that would tie to the build sheet.

Bottom line is that this COULD be a 442 (in the 1967 model year, all 442s were based on the Supreme model line), but nothing on the cowl tag can prove that.

 

Not all Fremont 442s are clones, but all 442 clones are from Fremont for this reason.

If you post detailed pictures of all angles of the car, perhaps an item making it as a clone can be seen.

 

I think the term you're looking for is "hyperbole".

 

interesting - NO body build month/week stamping

 

Good point. I missed that completely. Fremont did some really weird stuff with cowl tags.

 

for reference - here's my '67 parts car - Fremont Cutlass Supreme - ~1500 bodies later, wonder if the subject car got stuck on-line during shut down

 

Thank you everyone for responding. The car in question is listed on Hemmings website for sale. https://www.hemmings.com/auction/196...ile-442-322399 I have seen the car in person, the exterior is original with Arizona faded paint along with faded 442 emblems and faded black trim around the lights. He has very detailed pictures online. If it is a clone, it was done decades ago. The engine looks untouched since new with seeping valve covers, rusty exhaust manifolds etc. I was hoping someone could find a copy of the build sheet based off VIN but I realize that is not likely given the era.

 

Thank you for the information. I attached a link to the sale add on Hemmings.

 

The car looks pretty honest and original. The seller claims to have the P-O-P but doesn't post a photo of it. That will answer any questions. Either the P-O-P shows the engine and trans unit numbers or not - there's zero fuzz on it. If this checks out and the car is as solid as it appears, that's a good deal. The cover on the dash pad is unfortunate but not a surprise in the AZ sun.

 

Joe,
Thank you. Yes, he showed me the protect o plate but honestly I did not know exactly what it was. I will see if he will send me a picture of it.
Thank you

 

Nice car for a nice price. When you do make the purchase, save this link (below) & install a Wheelskin steering wheel cover - you'll be glad you did.


https://wheelskins.com/

 

Fremont, who knows? It's a testament to both Fremont and Baltimore that they built these cars as well as they did, with four different carlines traveling down the assembly lines consecutively.

Curious what the "4" stamping and the diamond punchout at top right indicate? Thought shoulder belts were a square punchout? Again, Fremont, it probably means something different than all the other assembly plants.

 

 

Ok, that document is the only way to correlate engine to car pre 68. That is excellent.

984 TS is trim and paint and matches the cowl tag. Not important.
V207774G is the 442's Rocket 400 serial number. You want to check that that number is on the passenger side head's front. It says at least that head is original, and is sufficient proof that that is the original engine (because there is no more).
OG4643 is the transmission serial. Look on the tag riveted to right side of transmission above pan.
338177Z107022 is the VIN. Check that the plate on the driver's A pillar by the door hinges says that.

I think the rest is dealer stuff.

So, if the VIN matches the POP, and the Engine matches the POP, and the transmission matches the POP, then that is both a legit 442 and also has original powertrain. If you buy this car, that document needs to be photoed and locked up with the title.

 

it's not flashy, but I like it!

PSD Z = PONTIAC 3.08:1 anti-spin axle built in December '66
03110:
0 = NO cruise control
3 = power steering & power brakes
1 = Deluxe Radio
1 = Air Conditioner
0 = NO power windows

 

V207774G is the money shot. Matching L78 400 engine shows the car to be a real 442. Nice find. A photo of the OG 4643 stamp on the trans would be icing on the cake. And to make this a teaching moment, THIS is how you have a "numbers matching" 1967-earlier Olds, since there were no VIN derivative stamps in those years.

 

HUGE Thank you to Joe and Koda for helping me confirm this is a real 442. All numbers match the POP. My son is excited to start working on his first car.

 

Wonderful. If that's your son in the picture, yeah - oh yeah, he's excited. Good luck - have fun.

 

That is great!

Share the progress and keep us updated on his "new" car.

 

You're welcome. And, to reiterate, that protectoplate is as important as the title and should be kept in a safe place with the title.

 

Yer boy has good taste in cars!😎