Destructor

The new Camaro is one of the ugliest things on the road, it might as well have a Yugo badge on it.

Weezer

Not a chance. The majority of new car buyers want more safety features and connectivity. The fact of the matter is that the industry is going to change drastically in the next ten years. It's already happening. Rush's "Red Barchetta" is like a prophecy.

Some things, however, will be slower to change. Customers have spoken, and the OEM's are listening, in regards to touch screen controls. There is a balance that is being realized in an effort to keep drivers' attention from being distracted when adjusting things that should be simple, such as radio volume and HVAC controls.

droptopron

Agreed its not going away but some of it is complexity for complexity's sake. Push button start. Its all well & fine but I never got in my car and thought ohh crap now I have to turn the key too? Then I had my wife's Ford Explorer break down and the flat bed guy was on YouTube figuring out how to get it out of gear.

76olds

I agree, we have smart phones, smart homes, and the smart/not so smart cars. Distracted driving is getting some serious attention in the Greater Toronto area here in Canada.
You need to be careful not to grab for your coffee from the console when driving, not to be reaching for anything while driving.
Pfffft, Now, I better forget playin' with the wife driving home as well. Lord Tunder' Geez, shiver me timber will have to stop.
The blitz is on here.. Cops aboard the TTC looking down in vehicles to pop them, standing on street corners in plain clothes, on the buses etc. Popping so many drivers today alone on this blitz.

The cars will be much like all the other interactive devices on the market today.
That will be great actually, If I want to hear Johnny Cash's cocaine blues tune, just ask and boom! Early one mornin' will makin' the rounds', I took a shot of cocaine and I shot my... ya know. Put-er-ther'
But, I want a cool name to ask and answer me thou, something like, Hey Aurorahhh, I feel a hunger, its a hunger.....Take me home tonight.

Weezer

I had a similar issue last year when I went to move my sister-in-law's Malibu. The electric park brake was engaged, and I couldn't figure out how to release it. Had to grab the manual, and of course it was general and didn't apply to that particular trim level. I think it wound up being something so simple like starting the car and putting it in gear, and the brake automatically released. Or maybe I couldn't see the pedal b/c it was tucked up so far under the dash? Hell, I can't even remember. Anyway, it made me feel stupid. I'm a firm believer that there should be certain industry standards for things related to safety, and those standards should also include the controls for them.

droptopron

The goal is to sell subscriptions with your car. It started with Surius and On Star. Now they have in car WiFi that you have to pay for if you want to keep it. For my son's car I want to have the teen driver app so I can keep an eye on what he's doing but I think that's bundled with another service too. He also has the MyChevy app where you can start the car from your phone but I think that stops too if I don't pay for it

Stupidest Program Ever - on my wife's Infiniti they send me a Carfax every month

droptopron

We just had a loaner from Infiniti, a QX50 SUV. The push button start start was on the console instead of the dash. To put it in park there was a button behind the stubby little shifter. I don't get it. If you aren't using that space for anything else, why get rid of a traditional shifter?

jerry63

I have a 09 G8. The front end was damaged by a hit a run, the body shop waited close to a month for a hood vent. Vent finally came in at $450.00. The owners of the last productions of Olds and Pontiac's will play hell in getting replacement parts.

olds 307 and 403

The push button start is nice as is the door unlocking as you reach for it. The passenger doesn't unlock unless you unlock it. The Challenger does have some blind spots, the collision warning helps, our 2010 did not have any of those things and no touch screen. My 2010 Challenger had a lot fewer technology features than our 2017, nearly everything was on par with a loaded vehicle from the 80'-90's. A lot of the features, like heated seat, steering wheel and command start, I wouldn't do without any living in our subarctic climate. Honestly either of my Cutlass would suck for winter duty. My G body has barely passable heat no matter what I do. I would have to totally replace the vents, pretty major fresh air leak. Plus salt is not kind to either, they rot no matter what you do to them. I did drive a 81 Delta 88 4 door for many winters, it had much better heat and seemed more rot resistant than the G bodies. Really a better made car all around but a big boat.

76olds

The boycott has started for General Motors cars built outside of the U.S.A and CANADA.
IF THE VIN STARTS WITH A "3" ITS NOT FOR ME . Anything starting with a 3 in the VIN means it has been built in Mexico.
Anyone thinking of purchasing a new GM vehicle, make sure it doesn't have a 3 in the vin! So, prior to signing the new car purchase deal, tell the dealership, you will not take delivery on anything made in Mexico with a VIN starting with a 3.

Put-er-ther !

Eric

Destructor

Too many people won't care, that's why American consumers are funding China's preparations for atomic war with the United states.

76olds

I'm workin' on a Cyber Helmet 'n' stocking up on Drone repellent .

droptopron

Maybe its a NY regulation, but stickers for cars in NY show final assembly plant, origin of engine & transmission, US parts content & largest foreign source of parts

Weezer

That is a NAFTA requirement for all vehicles built and sold in North America.

Additionally, regarding a boycott -- that's all well and good for you, but it only hurts the rest of the GM employees in the US and Canada. Honestly, I'd prefer that GM keep building more than just the midsize that is built in KC, but I am officially out of the new car market going foward. They are just too damn expensive. I'll still be loyal to GM, but I'm only a player in the used car market. It's not worth it to almost half of my yearly salary on a new vehicle that is going to have the features I want, unless I hit the lottery. Alas, if it weren't fer bad luck, I'd have no luck at all....

DOOM!

DESPAIR!

And agony on meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

70-442-W30

Ok, I just read through this a little...got lost on where it was supposed to be focused. But anyway, I read JoeP was saying about how all the newer cars are not for him. I'm beginning to agree.

We have owned multiple cars with "driver assist" tech. Honda, Chrysler, and most recently the newl model Toyota Camry. In every one of them I have encountered situations where the driver knew what was going on, but the computer system had a bad "guess." Every new generation of this driver assist tech seemingly has less risk of failure in these scenarios. But the newest thing I get to deal with is the Camry will lock up the brakes while going through the automatic car wash. Yes, there is a TSB for it....but still. Can you throw some real world testing into your new systems? I mean I know they do, but how does this even become an oversight? Crazy!

We bought the car for my daugher who is starting to drive because this type of tech is inevitably what she will see for the rest of her life. However I am wondering if I should ever upgrade my own vehicle to one that has these options as standard, or if I will even have a choice in the matter. Could be insurance companies start to price you out of the market on the older vehicles as a penalty for not having the driver assist components. Time will tell.

Edit: guess I should say something about the original topic, GM. I have no problems with still buying GM. However, I won't buy any vehicle made in Mexico. Which might be considered strange because I will buy one made in Canada or Japan. But in my opinion, Mexico causes us more problems than what it's worth.

olds 307 and 403

I agree, I have no problems buying products from first world countries. There standard of living for the average person is equal or possibly better than our standard of living here, why would I not want to support that?

Destructor

There is not a single new vehicle I have interest in. My everyday drivers have been traditional full size American cars, Chevy Caprices and Grand Marquis. Comfortable rides that are easy to work on and dependable but nothing high tech or overly fancy. I’ll probably have to go down south to find another rust free Grand Marquis when my 07 rusts out, so far rust free for now. My 07 was the closest to new that I owned bought it in 08 slightly used for a very good price after the economy faltered. The big trunks come in very handy too.