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Air cleaner pie plate
Something's bugging me about the breather coming off the valve cover?? Not supposed to be there
Accessory stud in wrong hole in head(Drivere side)
Last edited by 68442; November 30th, 2016 at 02:03 PM.
Truth be told, I was so blinded by the breather tube that I completely missed the pie plate and the cable - especially the Radio Shack white plastic P-clamps holding it.
Joe's 2nd pic shows the driver side notch for the brake booster. The other side
should be a shorter type notch for the a/c housing and # 8 spark plug. (So you can get your hand in there.)
Joe's 2nd pic shows the driver side notch for the brake booster. The other side
should be a shorter type notch for the a/c housing and # 8 spark plug. (So you can get your hand in there.)
Ok, thanks, i thought people said notched like the valve cover bolts had a seem on the upper and lower of them.
I thought i was good, i had some guy say at a car show that i didnt have "notched valve covers" "they should look like this" and ive been bothered, i was 99% sure this idiot like most at car shows were full of **** lol
Tru-blue you have it backwards...the short notch is on the driver side. And then it has the wrong air cleaner base (small block) and the wrong colour window crank ***** and door lock ***** and the wrong colour steering wheel hub and horn button. And the list goes on. The oil pressure sender is correct. And I think it has the wrong harmonic balancer?
Last edited by Yellowstatue; November 30th, 2016 at 06:47 PM.
Reason: More stuff.
Alternator fan & pulley, hinge color/finish, bottom half of the wiper motor can, throttle return spring, and I'm not sure about the forward most placement of the battery cable to valve cover plastic clamp.
Two non-W30 68 442 four speed convertibles have sold at BJ in the last three years for over $100k. Both were black with a red fender stripe. That's what's driving these prices.
Joe,
There are several air cleaners for 1968. Each one has a stenciled two letter code indicating it's use. This car is fitted with a small snorkel, likely a 350 CID. The 400 MT has a largemouth bass opening. I have a "police" 350 in my collection. At one time, I had most of the various Olds air cleaners. Except the '66 W-30 of course.
Joe,
I agree, a fine car. Once owned by Paul Teutle SR. There are several air cleaners for 1968. They are all red except W-30. However, there are engine specific models which have a two letter code stenciled on them that indicates usage. You can find the page in the ASSY manual. This MT car should have the largemouth bass snorkel such as the saffron car posted. I also noticed this does not have the bellhousing painted bronze. They were mated, painted, then bolted to the trans.
Here is a correct set up for a September build Z code 68 442 Auto with AC. Minus the extra tall K&N of course and the HEI and and and....But the vapor tube is correct.
Last edited by droldsmorland; December 1st, 2016 at 08:00 PM.
Im not a numbers / correct kind of car guy but i could tell something was off with that breather pipe right away. But my go to joke would be this picture is missing a set of *****.
Last edited by coppercutlass; December 1st, 2016 at 08:20 PM.
Here is a correct set up for a September build Z code 68 442 Auto with AC. Minus the extra tall K&N of course and the HEI and and and....But the vapor tube is correct.
Huh? Looks like someone tried to straighten out the tube to make it fit, because in '68 it should have two bends. And there are two different ones for a/c and non a/c. My guess is someone had the wrong one and bent it straight to fit.
Oh yeah and thevalve covers are on backwards (on the wrong sides). One of MY nits.
Kev, I dont know everything but Id like to think I have a pretty good base. Im always learning more. So Ive over looked these valve covers since 1986? Shame on me! Shame on the judges that have over looked it since the early 90s, post resto. That pic I posted is of my original lower miles unmolested (prior to resto) early production car, 09C. That engine was rebuilt in 86 and has not been touched since, (Except for an in situ respray 10 years ago). I know both POs and have the history. But that doesn't make it right and I put the covers on after the rebuild in 86. Looks like I have a 30 year faux pas to reverse! Thanks Kev. Didnt know **** in 86, obviously. Joe why didnt you jump on me?
This car does have a few oddities found on very early 68s. I count 5, which Ive recently learned of. Is this 6? I have a couple of these vapor tubes. They are factory parts. Ive seen this set up several times on 68, 442s. Next time I see one Ill look at the fisher tag for sure.
Not too long ago I parted a totally original, down to the hose clamps, rotted barn find, early September production 68 vert. It had the same set up. It was a non AC car. It had the exact the same air cleaner and vapor tube assembly.
Before it gets outa hand lets get it straight.
See what cha started Joe...good round of discussion I say.
Details....thanks Kev and thanks Tru Blue for correct pics.
Thanks all now I have another "nit" (after I correct mine that is).
edit...yes this bay is not 100% correct, master, dist, washer pump etc. Those pieces are in boxes for the next Mecum restoration for the next owner... This ones a driver.
Last edited by droldsmorland; December 2nd, 2016 at 09:06 PM.
Kev, I dont know everything but Id like to think I have a pretty good base. Im always learning more. So Ive over looked these valve covers since 1986? Shame on me! Shame on the judges that have over looked it since the early 90s, post resto.
Unfortunately, I've seen OCA judges who did not know the correct configuration of cars they judged. The classic for me was the 1968 "W-30" that took best of class at the 2009 Nationals but had the W-36 stripes and emblems in the wrong place.
This car does have a few oddities found on very early 68s. I count 5, which Ive recently learned of. Is this 6? I have a couple of these vapor tubes. They are factory parts. Ive seen this set up several times on 68, 442s. Next time I see one Ill look at the fisher tag for sure.
Not too long ago I parted a totally original, down to the hose clamps, rotted barn find, early September production 68 vert. It had the same set up. It was a non AC car. It had the exact the same air cleaner and vapor tube assembly.
Before it gets outa hand lets get it straight.
Idk, hard to tell from the pic but something doesn't seem right.
Years ago the late Chris Witt saw a picture of my motor and asked about the tube because they were not being reproduced, I ended up selling him one for $50. He gave me the lowdown on them as far as a/c and non a/c diffs
Now they're being reproduced
Joe,
I thought when you do NOT have power brakes, you did not get the notch covers.
Your pic looks to me not to have power brakes. It has a single master cyl., which tells me it has drum brakes.
Your second pic is not of the same car.
Well I just look at the car and it is a dual master, but no power booster.
So I say no notch covers.
Gene
Last edited by 64Rocket; December 3rd, 2016 at 09:15 PM.
Joe,
I thought when you do NOT have power brakes, you did not get the notch covers.
Your pic looks to me not to have power brakes. It has a single master cyl., which tells me it has drum brakes.
Your second pic is not of the same car.
Well I just look at the car and it is a dual master, but no power booster.
So I say no notch covers.
Gene
Sorry, Gene, but every single BBO A-body got notched covers from 1967-1972. The 67 cars only got one notched cover on the driver's side, since the 64-67 HVAC box didn't need the notch. The 67 cars were the only ones in the 64-67 series to get the larger 11" booster as used on the 68-72 cars.
The 68-72 cars got both covers notched. Again, this was no matter what the options were, as the passenger side cover wasn't required unless you got A/C. My engine in my 68 W-30 is untouched, with only 30,000 miles on the car. It has neither PB nor A/C, but it has both notched covers.
The parts book shows P/N 395447 (LH) and 399668 (RH) for all A-body BBO applications in those years. The full size cars and all SBOs use two of 392323. The engine assembly manual also clearly documents this. This page is from the 1970 manual, but the others are the same. Note that 455s for the A-body cars use two different valve covers for all 455 engines. The others do not.
Idk, hard to tell from the pic but something doesn't seem right.
Years ago the late Chris Witt saw a picture of my motor and asked about the tube because they were not being reproduced, I ended up selling him one for $50. He gave me the lowdown on them as far as a/c and non a/c diffs
Now they're being reproduced
The A/C and non-A/C vent pipes are different due to the clocking of the air cleaner snorkel to clear the A/C compressor.
I like these kinds of threads,I learn alot from them.
The car is very nice,even with the flaws you guys mention.
I am impressed with the fact it looks like the seller placed masking tape over the pedals to keep them clean and new looking. It really bothers me to be looking at a very nice car,then you look down at the pedals and they are either extremely worn or filthy dirty.
November 30th, 2016, 01:34 PM
Here is the mistake;
This MT car should have the largemouth bass snorkel such as the saffron car posted. I also noticed this does not have the bellhousing painted bronze. They were mated, painted, then bolted to the trans.
