oldspackrat

A friend told me about this car yesterday & I looked at it this morning. It is a 1963 98 with about every option I would guess & a 4 speed trans! I have been told that Olds. did not make a manual trans. 98 but have also been told they did.
I have been told that shifters & trans. of this era were junk & also know that those parts have been changed. The trans. is a '67 Muncie & the shifter is a competition plus.

I examined the car pretty well & I think it was a factory manual trans. shift car. The pedals & associated 4 speed parts look like they were born there & there is no shifter of any type on the column & no PRNDL on the dash.

The car is EXTREMELY rust free & in great if dirty shape. It has dual quads on it & runs & drives & the brakes are good. It needs many hours of cleaning, & general maintenance but is very solid.
I'm pretty ignorant of these cars & would like some opinions/facts about it before I make an offer.
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2blu442

Wow! That's got to be a rare car. Congrats on the find, I hope your able to purchase it.
John

Paladin31

'Packrat, that car HAS to be saved, I am not into the big cars, but even with some of the changes made the pedigree is awesome, it's a nearly forgotten piece of history. BADAZZ!
Please save!

Brett

oldcutlass

Wow, with a little bit of effort that can be made into a really nice driver. I don't know much of the pedigree of those cars, either way that's a unique ride.

Octania

Last Time Seen, NEVER

Buy it or find another to save it please.

Oldskeeper

The 63 98 custom sport coupe had a center console from factory so the selector for the gear you are in was on the console. In 63 you could get a standard trans in the 88 model with three on the tree, to my knowledge all 98s were autos. I see this car had standard brakes not power. I think this car was blended with an 88 to make it a standard.
I think it is a cool build and for me I would have tried to leave in the original console ( same as the 63 starfire with the tach) and tried to get the floor shifter in the console.
Should you decide to pass on this car let me know.
Thanks
Steve

m371961

Very cool. Let us know what info you find.

oldspackrat

Might be original paint on the car? But the trunk & hood don't look good. If I get it I'll at least have to paint those parts & try to blend it in with the rest of the car.
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Oldsmaniac

I would say this car is a dealer modification or perhaps some GM executive had it built if such a thing could happen back then. You could not order this car the way it is equipped from the option sheet. Is the trans a long tailshaft Muncie? All the stick parts could have been swapped over from a lesser B body car. Still An unusual car for sure.

BeenThere

Dual quads and a 4 speed in an air conditioned loaded Olds 98. Who could want any more. Triple black to boot. Most of us don't care if it is factory or not. Sure brings a smile to my face.

MDchanic

Nice. Must buy.

- Eric

Octania

That is one damn Loooooooong trans.

Steel plate on RH side of trans mount looks sketchy.

I would be looking at trans major component casting numbers, see what that reveals.

Yeah, even if not a factory build... worthy.

Rocketguy

X2! Irresistible and charming

2Olds4U

Ya, those plates (there is one on each side) were the only things that made the factory thing a little dubious. Pity that they didn't find a regular bell housing to work. And he did say it was a 67 Muncie.

But a very unique vehicle still.

1969w3155

I noticed the Hurst shifter, didn't the early to mid 60's (65?) Olds come with a Muncie shifter?

Charlie Jones

Very nifty conversion. But factory it is not.
If you look at the upper bellcrank (next to the master cylinder) and compare it to the attached drawings you will see it was from a 61 or 62 Olds. I'm sure the rest of the clutch linkage and pedals came from the same car.
The steering column probably came from a 63 or 64 Starfire or Custom 98 Sport Coupe.
The Hurst shifter looks like it came from a mid-sixties GTO.
The trans looks like it's from a Bonneville. (long tailshaft)

I does look very convincing as to being a factory job, and if you buy it you will probably have the only 63 98 four speed in existance.

joe_padavano

^^^THIS!

The Muncie shifter is NOT factory. The console is NOT factory. The long-tail Muncie was used in full size cars and the round stick shifter is likely Pontiac, so I suspect that's where the parts came from. The D88 was available with a three speed manual, which is probably where the bellhousing and clutch parts came from. Those are correct 61-64 full size clutch/brake pedals. Obviously the intake, air cleaner, and valve covers are not factory either. A very cool custom car, but not a factory built car.

marxjunk

the shifter looks like a 67 up slip in handle type from the pic......and some of the linkage looks like big pontiac..and so does the shifter..wheres the transmission crossmember?

isnt 010 case a 66-67 trans......in 63 wouldnt it be the long tail T10? it would be in a pontiac i believe..(looks like 010 in the pic...64 -5 is 325 i think.. .63 down has another number and i cant remember it)

shifter looks like a 67 big pontiac with no console to me...but the number on the handle would tell for sure.

the shifter boot and ring looks like 67 skylark which the boot is also gen 3 corvette

who cares..buy it and research it later...looks like a cool conversion..it may be something special..if i would have found it..it would be home before i even posted a pic.

joe_padavano

The 61-64 full size cars (except for the 1964 J88) used a single front motor mount and a pair of rear mounts on either side of the bellhousing. There was no trans crossmember.

marxjunk

ahh..i see...ive never even seen the underside of a big olds...mostly Pontiacs


big cars with 4 speeds...are freakin' awesome..i do know that

oldspackrat

I appreciate all the knowledge & advice from you guys. Kind of bummed it is not a factory deal but it is hella cool none the less. Who ever did the conversion/custom work on it seemed to really know their stuff.
Mrs. Packrat had told me that we MUST buy it so I guess I gotta figure out a way to do that. She wants it for her summertime daily driver, happy wife, happy life right?
The guy promised me it is not going anywhere & I have first dibs on it so when it warms up a bit I want to put it on a lift & check everything a little closer. Glad to see it does not need much in the way of parts as I'm sure they are not real easy to find.

joe_padavano

OK, NOW I'm jealous!

Koda

Is the engine the original....uh, 394?....in it? I'm guessing the conversion resulted in the aluminum dual manifolds and the carbs?

The good news is that, while neat, I can't see this car actually being officially "worth" much in its present state to people other than us, so you may be able to get it for cheap. 3 grand?

joe_padavano

No reason to think it isn't. There are far more aftermarket intakes of various configurations available for the first gen Olds V8 than for the second gen motors. Of course that dual quad is aftermarket. The only factory multi-carb intake for the first gen motors was the 57-58 J2 setup.

oldspackrat

Koda,
That price is right in the neighborhood of what I was thinking, thanks for your confirmation.

Don R.

Not factory but who cares! Cool factor is over the top and it's a 63! Grab it and keep us posted.

2blu442

In the first series of pictures (I think #19) shows the back of the engine. I googled the casting number 585786 and came up with 1963-64 394 so that helps support correct motor for the car.

Koda

Awesome, buy that thing. I want a build thread on it, too.

joe_padavano

Shifter looks like the factory 67-68 Pontiac full size shifter handle.

oldcutlass

I'd have to disagree, with a 4 speed the car is just odd enough to attract buyers. Its probably worth more than a stock one, I would not drag my feet.

navvet

Get it...

Bfg

It also looks to have cruise control unit under the hood also.

Greg Rogers

So cool... I hope you get it Scott.

Charlie Jones

The bellhousing is aftermarket too. It's an old Trans-Dapt unit.
It's the same one that Tony Ross copied and markets today, as you can see in a pic below.
The original 63 Olds stick shift bellhousings were iron and had a bolt pattern for a Buick "Roadmaster" type transmission.

Charlie Jones

Come and join the "darkside".
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ers-unite.html
We may be able to help.

Koda

Hey, fat cars need lovin', too!

oldspackrat

Thanks for all the great info. & encouragement guys, like I need much motivation to collect more Oldsmobiles!! I need to see what I can do to make it happen. I had Mrs. packrat read this thread & she is rabid about me getting it. One addict married to another!
I was talking to a member here & we were daydreaming about that big lottery the other night & I said if I win I'm buying an abandoned walmart for all my cars!! With that kind of money($750,000,000) you could buy 10,000 W30s at $75,000 each!! (Price based on estimated value of a super nice car on this site)
Or same money, you could buy every 1988 & older Oldsmobile on ebay & craigs list in the whole country I'd bet!! That would be a good junkyard.

64Rocket

the steel plates adapt the motor mounts to the bell housing. Looks to be a good job. the only other way would maybe drill and tap the bell housing for the plates. still a very cool conversion.
Like what has been said, the trans from a big car of that era.

will look great when cleaned up, just some TLC and maybe some paint.

Gene
I'm thinking he bought a wrecked Pontiac and used all the parts he could. Bought the trandapt bell and converted it. Nice!

Tedd Thompson

I'm curious If the stock cam (if it has a stock cam in it) will support those dual 4bbl carbs. Then again I guess anything is possible with enough metering rods and a pocket full of jets... Tedd