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Going up on Hemming's auction block on the 21st is a 64 Jetstar 88, 330 4-speed. I have never seen a factory built 64 big car 4-speed have you guys? Now, with the 330 frame engine mounting pads and the 330 mounts, looks like you could drop a 455 in there?
Not 1 of 1 but not real common either. Yes a 455 will fit but that trans might not like all that torque too good.
330 4 speed was available in A-body so it made sense to offer it for J88 and maybe steal some 327/4-speed Impala SS sales.
60s big Buicks, Pontiacs and big-inch Chevys could have 4-speeds. Guess Olds didn't see a market with the 394 cars. Read somewhere that only about 2% of full-size production got sticks after HydraMatic became almost synonymous with Oldsmobile.
Maniac- you're familiar with this car. Is the special order engine hype true? I can't enlarge the pics enough to tell but my money says it's a late production (July 64-later) engine with 2nd type (#2) heads and the hype masters are banging the drum loudly. This auction company is known to do that...
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Maniac- you're familiar with this car. Is the special order engine hype true? My money says it's a late production (July 64-later) engine with 2nd type (#2) heads and the hype masters are banging the drum loudly. This auction company is known to do that...
I think the copo stuff is BS I will ask the former owner what he knows. I don't remember #2 heads on this car or Bob having any documents about the build, yes its a factory car but strange to me it did not have the non auto accelerator linkage assembly on the firewall if memory serves me. Maybe that was a 65 B body item, don't know.
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Reason: more info
Yes, my old car, came from the mountains of Colorado circa 2003. Honestly, I knew it was rare and once the maniac validated that it was indeed a factory 4 speed I never bothered to check into the numbers, dates or hype. As far as 1 of 1, no idea, but here is another I found and thought about a few years ago...motor was tired so I passed it up. Neat cars as far as rare, odd ball yes, desirable eh. Sold it to a guy in NJ about 10 years ago, he did a pseudo resto update to correct some non factory items and moved it at the Atlantic City auction about a year later, think maybe he got 18k if memory serves.
RPO M20 was a $188.30 option that was readily available on the Jetstar 88. The COPO BS in the Hemmings ad is a red flag for me. #2 heads were used late in the 1964 model year.
As far as 4SP in full size cars. I'm a member of Nor Cal Olds. We have a original owner with a 65 Delta 88,4sp . Caravanned with him to the Nat in Denver in 2001. He drives it to a lot of shows, and enters in unrestored class as does well.
So not to drag this thread into a different direction, wondering is the frame rails on the 61-thru 64 88-98's the same? If so up could drop a 65 on up BB in the 64 frame provided you get the 64 JetStar engine frame pads. I realize there's a bit more to it.
So not to drag this thread into a different direction, wondering is the frame rails on the 61-thru 64 88-98's the same? If so up could drop a 65 on up BB in the 64 frame provided you get the 64 JetStar engine frame pads. I realize there's a bit more to it.
Not quite. The 1964 J88 frames have special mounting pads that are welded in place to accommodate the second gen Olds V8 mounting points, and a special trans crossmember, since the 394/slim jim mounting configuration is completely different. You can weld plates to the other 63-64 full size frames to match, but you'll have to copy the design from a 64 J88. The other problem is that the rubber motor mounts are unique for the 64 J88 and are not reproduced. The only difference between those 64 motor mounts and the ones used on the 65-70 full size cars is just the location of the threaded stud. The 64 motor mounts have the stud right in the center of the mount and are the same on both sides. The 65-70 mounts have the studs offset and are different LH/RH. If you're making the mounting plates to weld to the frame anyway, just offset the holes for the stud to match those on the 65-70 mounts.
Not a conversion. Oldsmobile built it. Jetstar 88s came with 330s, not 394 as Dynamic/Super 88, Starfire/Jetstar I, and Ninety Eight did. And as Joe P has pointed out, engine and trans mounting are very different between the 330 and 394 big cars.
I'd rock that J88 though. Just not keen on paying that auction's bidder fees and premiums. "Exorbitant" and "Outrageous" come to mind.
The 1964 Jetstar I used the Starfire roofline. The 1964 J88 used the Dynamic roofline.
Note that while the Hydramatic was the only trans offered in the Starfire that year, the Jetstar I base trans was a three speed manual on the column. The Hydramatic was optional.
64 Jetstar 1 's were offered with a 3 speed column shift .
There is a reference to one on this thread on the H.A.M.B. in posts # 8 and 24 .
Post #39 by Owen Thomas explains why there were no 394 's with T-10 4 speeds .
Olds actually experimented with the combination , but the T-10 couldn't hold up to the torque of the 394 in a two ton car .
Owen Thomas worked at Olds R&D in the late 50's and sixties . https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/.../#post-7908127
kinda knew that Olds did make Jetstar in 64 I just wanted confirmation. I have seen Manual trans in a red one and a blue car over the years.
I thought they were floor shift manuals but I could be mistaken
kinda knew that Olds did make Jetstar in 64 I just wanted confirmation. I have seen Manual trans in a red one and a blue car over the years.
I thought they were floor shift manuals but I could be mistaken
Olds made both Jetstar I and Jetstar 88 models in 1964. The Jetstar I was a de-contented Starfire using the 394. The Jetstar 88 was the loss leader with the A-body brakes and rear axle in addition to the A-body 330 and trans. The column shifted three speed manual was the base transmission in both cars (as it was in every Olds model that year except the Starfire and Ninety Eight). The floor shift manual trans (both three and four speed) was only available in the J88 and A-body cars, however.
For what it's worth: Had one, "way back in de day"; a 2-door coupe, w/ the "sculpted" HT, that looked kinda like a HT convert. Cream white, w rich, red inter; probably leather. Int had many "bells n whistles". 394/Quad, auto. No, I never saw a 4-on-de-floor, either. But am not a guru atall, like you guyz. Was so fast, it was scary. I was just back from the first war, & Dad noted I had no car, but was going to finish school, about 1800 mls. distant,...in January! "I'll sell you your mothers car", he casually quipped......for 200 clams!! Another story, about how 3 young, war vets all eventually made it through the storms, in de "White Tornado", as she was later called. She was a cream puff! Great to take women out, of course. Was nuts to sell her, but was not the mech. I am now, & was rather poor, in clams, at de time. Well, maybe agin some day! Cheers, El Paladin
For what it's worth: Had one, "way back in de day"; a 2-door coupe, w/ the "sculpted" HT, that looked kinda like a HT convert. Cream white, w rich, red inter; probably leather. Int had many "bells n whistles". 394/Quad, auto. No, I never saw a 4-on-de-floor, either. But am not a guru atall, like you guyz. Was so fast, it was scary. I was just back from the first war, & Dad noted I had no car, but was going to finish school, about 1800 mls. distant,...in January! "I'll sell you your mothers car", he casually quipped......for 200 clams!! Another story, about how 3 young, war vets all eventually made it through the storms, in de "White Tornado", as she was later called. She was a cream puff! Great to take women out, of course. Was nuts to sell her, but was not the mech. I am now, & was rather poor, in clams, at de time. Well, maybe agin some day! Cheers, El Paladin
Welcome. If you had a 394, it wasn't a Jetstar 88. Those only came with the 330 motor. The 394 came in the Super 88 and Dynamic 88 models.
I saw a 64 J 88 convertible 4 speed at a local show prolly 20 years ago. What a cool boat, prolly not a speed demon, but a great cruiser.
The J88 was the only Olds fullsize offered with a four speed for the 1964 model year. The 394 cars could be had with three-on-the-tree (which was also the base trans in the J88) but not a four speed that year.
The bad news is it is now located somewhere in Europe, as near as I can tell. And, the “worser” news is apparently they decided a gold repaint and interior refurb was better than the slightly weird but extremely cool original color combo of cameo ivory with a green interior. Oh well…..
August 13th, 2020, 08:33 AM
64 Jetstar 88; kinda looking for another.
