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Old November 24th, 2015, 07:31 AM
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Question about NOS starter

So I have this starter that is supposedly for a '72 Cutlass S with a 350 4bbl 4 speed. It was bought in the early '80s from a dealership & supposedly is correct. I have never seen an Olds. starter with staggered mounting points?? Is this only for manual trans cars? Has anyone else seen this & is it correct?






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Old November 24th, 2015, 08:17 AM
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Weird. I can't see how that would fit anything Olds.

4 speed starters are the same as auto starters, but should have the little threaded hole on the case for the clutch return spring bracket/tab (although, this hole is usually missing if it's a rebuilt unit).

Bracket/tab mount is lower left in pic.





Edit : All Olds starters should have this hole. Used for the starter brace AND the spring tab.

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Old November 24th, 2015, 08:28 AM
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The starter bolts to the block and neither knows nor cares what trans is attached (except on Toros, of course). I've never seen an Olds starter that used two different length bolts. Pontiac, perhaps? Wrong box?
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That is a Buick or Cadie starter, wrong side of the engine for Olds.

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I retract my previous statement. The opening and the solenoid are on the wrong side. That is a Chevy starter, most likely for a 350.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...yword=337-1016

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Old November 24th, 2015, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by svnt442
I retract my previous statement. The opening and the solenoid are on the wrong side. That is a Chevy starter, most likely for a 350.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...yword=337-1016
Will fit Chevy with small flex plate or 6 cyl chevy or (6 cyl OLDSMOBILE)
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Old November 24th, 2015, 10:30 AM
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From the Chevy Small Block V8 Interchange Manual:

1108789 Starter Motor: heavy duty; for all V8s with 12¾" overall diameter flywheeel;
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65-72 Chevrolet, 396-427 4 speed HD, also some 350 applications

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also some Cadillac through 84 at least...but no Olds

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Day late and a dollar short...

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Old November 24th, 2015, 01:29 PM
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Part number wise it is a 1978 or later starter. The part numbers are relatively sequential, so the higher the number the later the application. I have a parts book that shows every starter application from the early 60's to 1977 and that part number is no where. The tapered case also lends that it is a later design starter probably 80's. It is not Oldsmobile in any application, until after 1977. I have a starter with the same offset and it apparently came from an early 80's Olds.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by toymobile
That is a Buick or Cadie starter, wrong side of the engine for Olds.

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Good eyes. I missed that completely.
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Old November 24th, 2015, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Paladin31
65-72 Chevrolet, 396-427 4 speed HD, also some 350 applications

Brett

also some Cadillac through 84 at least...but no Olds
Actually 396-454 168th flexplate, the 84 Cadi is a Chev 6.0l engine.
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
the 84 Cadi is a Chev 6.0l engine.
Wanna bet?

The 1984 6.0L Caddy motor was the 368, derived from the Caddy 472 and 500 motors. The distributor was in the front. Here are the valve cover gaskets:

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I stand corrected...
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Old November 25th, 2015, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
I stand corrected...
Keep in mind that the only "6.0L" engine offered by Chevy in 1984 was the 366 big block medium duty truck motor that was never emissions certified for use in cars. The 6.0 LS-family motor didn't come out until decades later.
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I had thought that Cadillac had gone to a Chevy engine around then from Olds, but that's what I get for thinking. I know that the LS series engines came out decades later, I still can't understand how we got into using the metric conversion for American engines for that era.
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
... I still can't understand how we got into using the metric conversion for American engines for that era.
Pinkos.

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Old November 25th, 2015, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
I had thought that Cadillac had gone to a Chevy engine around then from Olds, but that's what I get for thinking.
The Chevy 350 didn't come in to use by Caddy until the late 1980s, as the Olds 307 was going out of production. Still wasn't a "6.0L" however.
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Old November 25th, 2015, 09:50 AM
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Put your Olds nose piece on it and use it. Unless the number stamped in matters.
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