What wheels do you get with the P06 option. The car is a 70 if that makes a difference.

Thanks in advance,

Sam

 

PO6 is the option code for trim rings, part of SSI, and SSII in all cases except for the Rallye 350 in 1970.

 

There are NO other wheel options/codes listed on the Canadian paperwork.

So did the car come with SS1 with trim rings, SS2 with trim rings, or the steel wheels ?

Thanks for the help,

Sam

 

Most likely your car came with the SSIIs or N66 as it was coded in 1970. Argent Grey bolt-on center cap 14inch with trim ring. SSIs were as described below which does not indicate a trim ring




SSI - Introduced in 1970 as option code PO5; size 14" x 7"; PN 406070; referred to as 1971 1st type (2nd type was #3 below); five spoke chrome center with area between spokes painted flat black and the rim painted gray or black; hub ornament with retainer and machine screws. This wheel will fit disc brake models. Stamped with 818 inside rim.

 

'70 Cutlass and 442 could be had w/SSI's and trim ring, I believe that the chrome version came later in the model year more or less for the '71model year. With no other info listed on your paperwork, it would be quite hard to tell which it came with. Steel wheels would not have trim rings.

 

Not exactly. P06 is the option code for the ring when ordered by itself for a standard steel wheel. Part number 9796919. Same ring *included* in the SSI P05 option and SSII N66 option.

So Sam, your P06 should mean steel wheels, hubcaps, and trim rings.

 

Sam
SS1 and SSII equiped cars had their lug wrench stored in a different location than cars with plain steel wheel. With the plain steel wheel the lug wrench was stored in the rubber sleeve with the jack under the spare tire. On SSI and SSII cars the lug wrench is retained by 2 clips and stored between the spare and the rear trunk opening in plain sight. Non SS1/SSII cars should not have these 2 clips. This is pictured in chap. 10 of Assembly manual. That may help in deciding what wheel is correct for your car.


Option P06 is descrbed in 70 Inspectors guide as wheel trim rings being available only on certain models with FE2 suspension option or PC2 option (14 X 7 steel wheel). The PC2 was standard with FE2 option unless SSI or SSII wheels were opted for. Not that it proves anything, but also on page 2 in Inspectors guide the different wheel/ hubap options are shown. PO6 is pictured as a steel wheel with small hubcap and trim rings.

I think the P06 option is trim rings for the 14 X 7 plain steel wheel. I do not have enough information to prove it, so at this point it is an opinion. It just seems weird that if you ordered SSI or SSII wheels that you would have to order the trim rings with them. It would be interesting to see what an original order form would describe P06 as. I could not find my copy. Hope this helps.

Just seen that wmachines has responded as I was looking over some info.

Don W

 

You are correct Don, and you will find what you are looking for in the SPECS booklet on Wild About Cars.
http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...aldisplayed=50

To further explain, the P06 option required the heavy duty 14" x 7" steel wheel, thus the reference to the FE2 or PC2 being required to get them.
Since the option P06 showed up in Sam's options, that means he had 14 x 7 steel wheels.

 

The car is a 70 F85, Would it have the XT coded steel wheels or another code?

Thanks all for your help.

Cheers,

Sam

 

That will be in the Assembly Manual under "wheels"
http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...aldisplayed=50

 

Wow, never heard of it, nor have I ever seen it! Curious to see what it would have looked like on a Olds.

 

The link below has some information and pictures of the P06 option. However, it is for the 67-69 model year and for Camaros. It does say it is the base steel rim with the trim ring! I have never seen this before and would like to see pictures of this on an Olds. Anyone?

http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#wcovers

From the link:

"The 'dogdish' hubcap was the base hubcap if no other wheel option was ordered. It was attached to the standard steel wheel painted in body color enamel. The 67 version of the hubcap differed from the 68/69 version. In 69, there was a P06 trim ring option that was installed around the base hubcap (covering a significant amount of the body colored wheel)."


Sam

 

From page 2 of the Inspectors manual. This is the only picture I could find. Rare sight these days. I wonder if it was more common when these cars were new?

Don W

 

Wow, a steel wheel, with caps and a trim ring! Very unusual !

I'm still searching for a picture of an OLDS with the steel wheel and the P06 option. Has anyone seen this???

Cheers,

Sam

 

From the 1970 Dealer Selling Information Album

 

So, for 1970 OPTION P06 is a trim ring added to the STANDARD "hub cap" equipped wheels - are the wheels painted black or still body color?

Is the OP's car an a-body with 14x7.0" wheels or something else?

 

The car is an A body - 70 F85 W31.

Original paperwork does show the PK5 - G70X14, W/LETTER TIRES.

I'm still trying to determine if the car would of had the XT coded steel wheel or a different coded steel wheel??


Cheers,

Sam

 

According to the PIM, body color. Hubcap = body color. No exception was made for P06.


Okay, Sam, I can see this is a little hard to follow. A couple paths can lead you there, but I'll take this one: On the F85, the 14 x 7 HD wheel was optional. But you have the W31. The W31 included the mandatory FE2 option suspension. The FE2 suspension included the 14 x 7 HD wheels, part #3966936. Which yes, is the XT code wheels.
The PK5 tires were also a mandatory option with the W31.

 

Very interesting.

I believe the heavy duty steel rim option on the A-bodies in '70-'72 were only 14x6, not 14x7. The 14x7 steel rim was only available with the FE-2 suspension option.

Also, in 1972, unlike in 1970-1971, if you ordered the newly designed spoke hubcap option, the steel rim was upgraded to a 14x7.

It also shows in the thumbnail image of the '70 Inspector's Guide an option for a 15" version of the SS-II rim, which was thought to be available only on the '69 H/O and later starting with the '74 models. Was Oldsmobile planning on offering a 15" Super Stock rim so the larger 60-series tires could be ordered? Is this also shown in the '71 Inspector's Guide?

 

Where did you find a copy of the 1970 Inspector's Guide? Does anyone know where to find a copy of the 1971 Inspectors' Guide?

 

Almost. The HD 14 x 6 came back in '71 (N99) for use in the F41 trailer towing suspension package, but was absent is '70. There was no A-body N99 in 1970. The 14 x 7s were Heavy Duty.

You mean N95? Curious, where do you get that info? I didn't think so and find no evidence of that. (Also, N95 was not available in '71).

 

We have both (and more) at Wild About Cars, but have only posted through '67 at this point. I won't be able to check the '71 until later today.

 

So the Heavy Duty plain rims for '71 & '72 were 14x6, but in '70 the 14x7 plain rims also had the heavy duty "spider" center?

The 14x7 plain steel rims with the newly redesigned spoke hubcap option is in the '72 Oldsmobile Inspector's Guide, which is posted on the Wild About Cars/Historical website. The '70 & '71 Inspector's Guide is not available.

Anthony

 

Sam

Besides the XT wheel Kurt mentioned, there is an optional IF steel wheel that is listed in the 70 Assembly manual 10-95. I do not know if these were actually used or not. I have no experience with them, only factory books showing the codes.

anthonyP

The P37 15" wheel is not listed/pictured in the 71/72 Inspectors guide. I do not think the P37 was ever offered on a 70 A body. It (P37) is not listed in the 70 assembly manual.

That is an interesting find about the 14X7 wheels being used on the wire wheel disc. I will look up in parts catalog and see if that will help prove/disprove. I did not find anything after a quick look in the 72 assembly manual.

I have found my factory literature at swap meets over the years. I think the Inspector's Guides are reproduced now. For 1971 there are 2 different Inspector guides. The first edition was for the start of the model year run through Jan. 15, 1971. The second edition was for Jan 15, 1971 till model year end. I am guessing this had something to do with the strike of late 70???? maybe one of the ex Olds employees will educate us. If you need any information from the inspectors guide just let me know and I will look it up.

Don W

 

Have you looked in the car for other paperwork, broadcast/Fisher body cards, build sheets, etc? My 70 F-85 W-31 has a "build sheet" (for lack of a better term) that says "OLDSMOBILE PRODUCTION CODE "B" 1970 MODEL" across the top in green with 4 rows of green outlined boxes with all the codes for the motor, QX, which is the325HP W-31 engine, trans., KA, M-21, SZ, W-27 3.91 rear axle, LZ, SSI wheel code, etc. etc. If you have not looked all through your car I would highly recommend you do to try and find this sheet. It will answer your wheel question without all this debate and probably many others questions as well. Mine was either found in one of the seats or headliner and I also had this sheet and a similar "A" sheet with my 1970 SX and at least one of them was said to have come out of the headliner as well. XT and IF wheels are identical in every way other than the code stamp and IF wheels are much easier to find and usually cheaper because the COPO Camaro guys are only buying XT wheels. I have seen several Buicks with the dog dish cap and beauty ring but I have never seen a Cutlass/F-85/442 with this combo.

 

Hi Don.

My brother and I could never figure out why Oldsmobile did not offer 15" rims in '71 & '72, especially since Chevy & Pontiac went that route in those years so as to offer 60 series tires. Even stranger since the H/O had same 15" rims in '69. Thought maybe that was planned in '70 when the Inspector's Guide was printed.

The two separate '71 Inspector Guides probably were due to the strike. Be interesting to find the differences in the two guides, and possibly what was planned or cancelled due to the strike. I'd bet many '71 442 and Cutlass owners would be fascinated to know the differences, if any, caused by the strike. Maybe post the results on a thread.

Hate when you read that production was down for Oldsmobile's in 1971, and the 442 in particular, because of the "drop in compression", when actuality is was due to the strike. Case in point, my brother almost purchased a 440 6-pack 'Cuda in 1971 because he could not order a 442, but luckily, the strike ended and he was able to get a new 442 delivered in February 1971.

Thanks,
Anthony

 

68 442 W30
69 442 W30
70 442 W30 x 2
70 F85 W31
71 442 W30
72 442 W30


sam
you must have bought the 31car
xt wheels are what i have seen on 1970 cars
cheers

 

I checked and it is not in the 1971 Inspectors' Guide.

 

Good afternoon,

FINALLY - a real picture of a 70 F85 W31 with the steel rims, dog dish and trim rings - the P06 option-----On the cover of a Classic Sixties car magazine from August of 1983.

Thanks Steve and Joe for the picture.

Cheers,

Sam


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Cool, thanks for posting. I believe that I had that mag, as it rung a bell when I saw it, but I'm pretty sure that it, along with early MCR mags, was one that was lost when my basement flooded.

 

Sam,
the 70 W31 steel 14x7 wheel was code JJ. I didn't read the whole thread so I hope this isn't redundant.

 

Sam;
Sure looks UGLY with the trim rings.
If u go that route, leave off the rings & put em in the trunk, lols.
Dick