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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by L69 equipped


1.) 2014 Stingray
2.) newer model Camaro
3.) newer model Challenger
4.) newer model Mustang
5.) Viper

The 2014 stingray is little more than a c6 with different lights and a few extra vents.

The new Camaro, Challenger, and Mustang the return of the Stingray are just marketing plays off of old names.
Their styling is like Pamela Anderson; "exaggerated proportions and desperately trying evoke an image of a youthful past" - Curbside Classics

I do agree with you on the Viper; it is the most original out of the list. It has it's own distinctive styling while being brutish and simple unlike most performance cars. The Viper is also a bit of an oddball; it originated in the early 90s when all cars seemed like they were doomed to be front-wheel-drive aero-econo-lunchboxes.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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I agree with a lot of what people are saying about these cars. I'm 22 and I'm working on my old cutless fixing this and that. That to me is what makes a car worth having. That is what brings the soul and uniqueness out in a car in my opinion. The new are nice and yes they can be fast comfortable and get good gas mileage, but with them your just another face in the crowd. Roll up in a late 60s early 70s and your the center of attention :-)
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 05:43 PM
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I like this thread, but lets be honest most of us are pretty biased since this is predominately a classic car website. I would be curious to see what Modified Mustang's Forum would have to say this topic. I used to be on there when I owned my '96 v6 5-speed (first car...it was alright)
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
The 2014 stingray is little more than a c6 with different lights and a few extra vents.


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Your joking right? There is nothing and I mean nothing the same in these cars. There is so much new tech in the C7 its not funny. They will be a nightmare in 15 years.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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i'm young @ 24 and i really do enjoy the newer cars/trucks. the old cars are fun for summer cruising but daily driving..ect i love my daily driver '02 V10 ford excursion.

all of my trucks are 10 years or older and i have not had any electrical issues people worry about. who knows what the current cars/trucks will do in 10-15 years but i think they will be pretty dang reliable.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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I'm "only" 33 and I love them both. I had an 05 GTO M6, and it's the only car I'd probably buy another one of in the future. I daily drove it in Chicago for about 2 years. If it wasn't for mileage on premium gas, insurance, and the temptation to modify it (read: the expense) I'd still have it as my daily and the Cutlass as the toy. But I had to get a lil Mazda3 as my commuter so I can afford to work on the Cutlass! lol

Even put a hitch on it to haul my bike!

Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:49 PM
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Your joking right? There is nothing and I mean nothing the same in these cars. There is so much new tech in the C7 its not funny. They will be a nightmare in 15 years.
I hope he is. I was at a GM engineering booth as they talked about all the changes in the new C7 and it is nothing short of amazing. I forgot what they said was leftover parts from the C6 but it was negligible.

These cars are very complicated and the only good thing I could say about owning a new Corvette is the huge amount of tech people and tuners out there troubleshooting them. No backyard mechanic will be able to fix it, that's for sure.
Old Nov 4, 2013 | 09:41 PM
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No, that's not for sure. Maybe a backyard mechanic who can't use a laptop with some tuning software, but there are some programs out there that will let you pull into the track, upload a new map, and turn the car into a dragster with one mouse click.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 03:38 AM
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My 2 cents is a simple one, I love anything that has survived time & is not owned by every third person. Go to the local car show & check the size of the crowd around the tiny screaming so called hot rod Honda then look & see the audience around the old school muscle car. Won't even be a close one. I respect technology & electronic H.P but it rarely turns my head. To each his own as always.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 06:02 AM
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Here is another good example I run in to often in my dealership. Early C5 Corvette with ABS light on. 90% of the time turns out to be a EBCM and BPMV have to be replaced. Depending on the part# the car takes most of the parts are discontinued. The ones I can still get are are about $3800.00 for the parts alone. The one that I can't get no on makes there is no aftermarket and the companies that do rebuild them say that part# can't be rebuilt. I looked for a month to find one for a customer that had a 02 Z06 before a used one popped up on EBAY and still bid up to $1600 because he is not the only one out there needing one.

We have pretty much started refusing any interior or dash work in C4 Corvettes because everything is so brittle something breaks and you can't get replacement parts.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gearheads78
Here is another good example I run in to often in my dealership. Early C5 Corvette with ABS light on. 90% of the time turns out to be a EBCM and BPMV have to be replaced. Depending on the part# the car takes most of the parts are discontinued. The ones I can still get are are about $3800.00 for the parts alone. The one that I can't get no on makes there is no aftermarket and the companies that do rebuild them say that part# can't be rebuilt. I looked for a month to find one for a customer that had a 02 Z06 before a used one popped up on EBAY and still bid up to $1600 because he is not the only one out there needing one.

We have pretty much started refushing any interior or dash work in C4 Corvettes because everything is so brittle something breaks and you can't get replacement parts.
That's what scares me about keeping anything new for more than 10 years. Once they stop making the parts, we're screwed.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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I don't get any thumbs up driving around in my Mazda 6 as i do in the Cutlass.I've had more ppl yell across the street at me saying ''Nice F%$#king Car !'' then I can count on both hands and that's young and old ppl both .I think our old cars are timeless classics that trigger an emotional response from ppl more than any late model vehicle can.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 12:45 PM
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The other question is, who are the collectors going to be? Most young people are not interested in the cars that us geezers are interested in. Look at the attendees for our car shows.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OLD SKL 69
I hope he is. I was at a GM engineering booth as they talked about all the changes in the new C7 and it is nothing short of amazing. I forgot what they said was leftover parts from the C6 but it was negligible.

These cars are very complicated and the only good thing I could say about owning a new Corvette is the huge amount of tech people and tuners out there troubleshooting them. No backyard mechanic will be able to fix it, that's for sure.
I was referring to styling, not necessarily the engineering aspect of it. The only new things that are mechanically new on the C7 that I know of are variable valve timing and direct injection. It still uses a transaxle, but you can get a 7-speed manual now. The C7 has optional paddle shifters now--I don't think the C6 did. I think the primary differences between the C6 and C7 are material choices and the wider track width.

Basically, they changed some dimensions and materials and bolted new electronic gismos onto it.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:31 PM
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my opinion

If you have more money than brains go buy a new muscle car. I will come along in three to four years & pay the $0.50 on the dollar that it is now worth. Depreciating asset...that is the best way to describe the NEW muscle cars.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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I broke the coat hook on my 2005 300C. It is part of an assembly that costs a few hundred dollars. You can't replace just the little plastic hook like you can on an older car. When I traded my 300C for a 2007 Charger R/T, it didn't have the auto dimming rear view mirror like the 300 did. I went to the dealer to see what it cost to order a self dimming mirror. It cost over $1200 for the mirror! Neither of these parts are considered vital to restoring the car. I can't fathom the price and unavailability of really important parts 25, 35 or more years down the road. New cars are disposable, and the assemblies, circuit boards and computers that make them up are also disposable.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:13 PM
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I bought my Cutlass from an older couple about a year ago. They were going to give it to their son when he graduated from college. He said "I don't want that piece of crap". Now I drive it, and although not the most desirable year for the Cutlass, I get a ton of compliments. Best feature...that old car smell.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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I was reminded last week just what is was that I liked about older mucsle cars. I was standing in my shop when a customer started up his W-31 with loud exhaust and drove out the door and down the road. There is nothing like the sound of classic horse power. ~BOB
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by L69 equipped
Mechanically, the newer more complex models may be superior and perhaps even more durable. But for that matter, so is your new washing machine.
Not since HE, computer controls, and lid locks became standard in washers!!
I feel the same way in appliances as I do with cars now - keep my oldies.

Originally Posted by gearheads78
I towed it in and was told its either the distributor or the ECM Toyota wanted $700.00 for a distributor and $950.00 for the computer (if they could find one since its been discontinued for years) There is no A/M computer from anyone and no luck calling LKQ. I found a distributor at Rock Auto for $150 and took my chance it would fix it. Luckily it did but had it been the ECM I might as well have just thrown the car away.
Ouch... This is why I do not want a new car for a long period of time.

Originally Posted by 61reoldsman
I don't get any thumbs up driving around in my Mazda 6 as i do in the Cutlass.I've had more ppl yell across the street at me saying ''Nice F%$#king Car !'' then I can count on both hands and that's young and old ppl both .
Amen to this!
I was cruising 65mph on the interstate once and a lady pulls beside me rolls the window down and yells "I love your car!"
Many other wonderful comments and conversation that old car brings, from all around.
Only ONCE had i got a complement on the Caddy, 10 years ago. It was in a parking lot to Oreillys...


Originally Posted by plonka
although not the most desirable year for the Cutlass, I get a ton of compliments. Best feature...that old car smell.
Heck i am starting to get a lot more cool complements and comments about my old Pinto! Last week I caught a guy in a new Benz in the doctor's parking lot snapping a picture of it...
Old cars just bring out the car-guy or gal in people.
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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I would be just as amazed as he on the Pinto. It's a miracle!!!
Old Nov 5, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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I wouldn't drive a Pacer or a Gremlin, but I would rock a Pinto.
Old Nov 7, 2013 | 06:47 PM
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Most of the new cars look to much alike, I had an 09 Challenger R/T it was a blast to drive but NOTHING sounds better than a big block olds with a healthy cam. I have never had more fun than I do when I drive my 68 442!
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