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Sorry I know I'm in the minority here but to me it looks like something is missing w/o the rear wing. And even more of a sin (per many on this site), I have a rear wing on my 71 442 convertible and my 70 Supreme. Love them both and wouldn't have it any other way. To each his own I guess.
Sorry I know I'm in the minority here but to me it looks like something is missing w/o the rear wing. And even more of a sin (per many on this site), I have a rear wing on my 71 442 convertible and my 70 Supreme. Love them both and wouldn't have it any other way. To each his own I guess.
-Joe
yeah, everybody’s entitled to their own opinion and I always thought they had to have it but since I took it off, I think it looks fantastic
Except that "to each his own" really means "make it look like every other one on the interwebs". When these cars were new, you very, VERY rarely saw one with the O.A.I. hood or wing. Heck, I don't remember ever seeing a 68 with W36 stripes on the street in the 1968-1978 timeframe. Today, here's what comes up in Google Images. Look at all those rugged individualists...
I know that I am the number one person that members get mad at me for my opinion. I will always stand on my square. I grew up in the sixties and seventies. I saw every car on the road. I saw ONE ONE did I say ONE 442 with a factory wing. Did I say One yet? Now every single f ing car has one. They Never Ever came factory on a ragtop other than a Pace car. Period. Period. If you like them do your thing. For me the Oldsmobile A body is so beautiful. The wing takes away from the body line. Again just my opinion. How many 70 Chevelle's do you see with a wing? 🤔Zero. Put a wing on if you want. So So So overplayed. Factory wing? I love it. Every person needing one? You have no clue what times were.
And to JohnnyOlds. The One car that I ever saw with a factory wing was a car your color with a steel hood. I do have a picture somewhere. It was for sale at Bandimere in probably 82-83 ish. I love factory stuff big time. Over played look at me? Not so much.
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The only American made car I have ever thought worthy of wearing a rear wing was the Daytona Dodge Challenger Charger. And, the reason I thought it then & I think it now is because it was aerodynamically engineered w/ a purpose. When the street production Daytona Challenger Charger hit the streets EVERY Mopar owner wanted a rear wing - even if they didn't own a Challenger Charger; and, those who did own a (basic) Challenger Charger were lined up a block long to get into the J.C. Whitney store to buy one. I loved heading into J.C. Whitney. Mr. Warshawsky was a super nice guy and that place was packed with gearheads every single weekend.
EDIT: My bad - I called it the Challenger - it was the Charger (I'm not a MOPAR officiando).
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The only American made car I have ever thought worthy of wearing a rear wing was the Daytona Dodge Challenger. And, the reason I thought it then & I think it now is because it was aerodynamically engineered w/ a purpose. When the street production Daytona Challenger hit the streets EVERY Mopar owner wanted a rear wing - even if they didn't own a Challenger; and, those who did own a (basic) Challenger were lined up a block long to get into the J.C. Whitney store to buy one. I loved heading into J.C. Whitney. Mr. Warshawsky was a super nice guy and that place was packed with gearheads every single weekend.
Vintage Chief you and I are the same wavelength I swear.
Superbird's and Charger Daytona's had a purpose. They actually helped in high speeds. Wait what? They had a purpose? NONE of these poser cars see even 80 mph. Might have to clean it. Yikes then I have to pay someone to clean my car. Damn shame. Cars just sit. F ing sucks for them. But you gotta have the mass produced wanting your check spoiler. Fools check in all day long.
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The only American made car I have ever thought worthy of wearing a rear wing was the Daytona Dodge Challenger. And, the reason I thought it then & I think it now is because it was aerodynamically engineered w/ a purpose. When the street production Daytona Challenger hit the streets EVERY Mopar owner wanted a rear wing - even if they didn't own a Challenger; and, those who did own a (basic) Challenger were lined up a block long to get into the J.C. Whitney store to buy one. I loved heading into J.C. Whitney. Mr. Warshawsky was a super nice guy and that place was packed with gearheads every single weekend.
I don't know what a "Daytona Dodge Challenger" is. Did you mean the Dodge Daytona Charger? (and therefore the Plymouth Superbird also)
Superbird's and Charger Daytona's had a purpose. They actually helped in high speeds. Wait what? They had a purpose? NONE of these poser cars see even 80 mph. Might have to clean it. Yikes then I have to pay someone to cleaned my car. Damn shame. Cars just sit. F ing sucks for them. But you gotta have the mass produced wanting your check spoiler. Fools check in all day long.
I did actually call it the Challenger when it was the Charger. My bad...I changed/corrected my post.
Yeah, since you brought it up. I so recall the conversations us "guys" had w/ regards to a spoiler vs. a wing - many heated discussions ensued late nights at the local Pancake House on the usage of a spoiler vs. a wing.
Joe. Why you gotta be you? And thank you for that You are so correct. I think that spoiler was the number one ever down force spoiler right?
Damn I love those cars. Torino's and the Marauder's. Love them.
Small correction (from days of old - mind you). A wing is aerodynamically engineered to produce a downward force - a spoiler is designed to disrupt airflow - not direct airflow in a downward manner.
Small correction (from days of old - mind you). A wing is aerodynamically engineered to produce a downward force - a spoiler is designed to disrupt airflow - not direct airflow in a downward manner.
What may (or may not) be of mild interest is the notion of a wing as employed on a motor vehicle vs. an aircraft. A vehicle wing is appropriately designed almost opposite that of an aircraft wing i.e. upside down. This is because of the airspeed induced on the wing (airfoil). An aircraft (wing) achieves lift by increasing the airspeed above the wing, this increase in airspeed reduces the pressure above the wing while the airspeed below the wing becomes less than the airspeed above the wing thereby creating lift. The exact opposite is true of a vehicle rear wing. And, if you really must think this through - c'mon you know you do - an aircraft wing may or may not be equipped with one or more "spoilers" fixed to the wing - the purpose of which is to spoil or dump the lift generated by the wing facilitating a more rapid descent of the aircraft.
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I agree that JC Whitney probably sold a bunch of Challenger/Barracuda wings, however I would disagree that they sold a bunch of 69 Daytona/70 Superbird wings. More likely JC Whitney would be selling a version of the "Go Wing" for Chargers.
I agree that JC Whitney probably sold a bunch of Challenger/Barracuda wings, however I would disagree that they sold a bunch of 69 Daytona/70 Superbird wings. More likely JC Whitney would be selling a version of the "Go Wing" for Chargers.
My point was they were selling an *** load of wings.
Except that "to each his own" really means "make it look like every other one on the interwebs". When these cars were new, you very, VERY rarely saw one with the O.A.I. hood or wing. Heck, I don't remember ever seeing a 68 with W36 stripes on the street in the 1968-1978 timeframe. Today, here's what comes up in Google Images. Look at all those rugged individualists...
It's worth pointing out a classic engineering principle, that there is no such thing as a free lunch. While a wing does give down force, it has taken that force from the aerodynamic profile of the car, i.e., it causes drag. A car without a wing will always be faster than one with one, until you hit the point that you can't hold it down, either in a straight line or turning. More often in turning, you are coming in too hot to make the turn and you have to slow down. The wing, granting extra traction, lets you hold higher speed before losing it. Granted, the straightaway getting to that speed may need a bit more power due to the wing drag, but those 1970 birds had it. However, if you flying mile'd the cars, you'd take the wing off. Keep the nose.
I owned a 70 orbit orange Judge, always liked the wing design. I took the wing off my 70 W30 that someone threw on, it just didn't compliment the body lines like the Judge wing. To each his own.
Ok another good wing. Loved them on a Goat factory.
I don't hate an Olds spoiler wing whatever. My opinion the Oldsmobile bodyline looks so clean. You add the wing and just doesn't look as good. No hate to people that add it. We all should do what works for ourselves. For me? Overplayed Hotwheels thing. For me personally I just don't get it. Every single car now has one. 🤔🤑🤢🤮
I am just not a "Look At Me" guy. I don't need approval from whoever I just don't. So many need that. So not why I am an Oldsmobile guy.
It just boils down to what floats your boat, pulls your trigger--eh? I as a kid loved some silly things- Muster Mobile, Dragula, Monkees car, on and on. And when I get that same thrill looking at something I like it. Yep I loved hood pins and the gasser look etc. Still get the thrill when I see them. I say- your car do as you want.
It just boils down to what floats your boat, pulls your trigger--eh? I as a kid loved some silly things- Muster Mobile, Dragula, Monkees car, on and on. And when I get that same thrill looking at something I like it. Yep I loved hood pins and the gasser look etc. Still get the thrill when I see them. I say- your car do as you want.
I’m with ya on this , not that I want to drive the munster mobile but very cool creation.. I would however love to build a shoebox chev gasser, complete with a 409 twin fours, but no straight axle, 60’s style spider web custom paint..there has to be a better way to get the nose up, bumper removed look.
It's worth pointing out a classic engineering principle, that there is no such thing as a free lunch. While a wing does give down force, it has taken that force from the aerodynamic profile of the car, i.e., it causes drag. A car without a wing will always be faster than one with one, until you hit the point that you can't hold it down, either in a straight line or turning. More often in turning, you are coming in too hot to make the turn and you have to slow down. The wing, granting extra traction, lets you hold higher speed before losing it. Granted, the straightaway getting to that speed may need a bit more power due to the wing drag, but those 1970 birds had it. However, if you flying mile'd the cars, you'd take the wing off. Keep the nose.
^^^THIS! And let's be honest, the reason why the Daytona/Superbird wing is so tall is to provide clearance to open the trunklid. Well, and this...
I think the 69 H/O or a Rallye 350 would look stupid without a wing just because they were made that way. That said, I was never a fan of one on that era of 2 door Cutlass or 442. But as mentioned, if you like it and I'm not paying for it, you do you.
I almost bought a '69 Cyclone in 1973 when I was a senior in high school. My dad convinced me not to. I think I ended up with a '69 Impala, so sorry for that decision now,
I know that I am the number one person that members get mad at me for my opinion. I will always stand on my square. I grew up in the sixties and seventies. I saw every car on the road. I saw ONE ONE did I say ONE 442 with a factory wing. Did I say One yet? Now every single f ing car has one. They Never Ever came factory on a ragtop other than a Pace car. Period. Period. If you like them do your thing. For me the Oldsmobile A body is so beautiful. The wing takes away from the body line. Again just my opinion. How many 70 Chevelle's do you see with a wing? 🤔Zero. Put a wing on if you want. So So So overplayed. Factory wing? I love it. Every person needing one? You have no clue what times were.
Are you talking Oldsmobile, or some other brand Pace Car convertible?
When I bought my '69 S a few years ago, one of the first things I did was ditch the aftermarket repo wing. *** end of the car looks sooo much better without it in my opinion.
I have to admit I find the anguish something as simple as a wing/spoiler or hood designed for these cars causes when someone decides they want one on their car. The item might not be correct for the car but at least they were designed and offered by Oldsmobile for certain cars of that era. I won't even mention LS swaps although dropping a 455 into a car born with a 350 is apparently acceptable.
I think Johnny's car looks good without the wing. I think my bittersweet '71 looks best without a wing.
Nobody seems to take exception to running aftermarket wheels, Tremec transmission upgrades, swaps from automatic to manual or Oldsmobile based engines with very few original parts, but heaven forbid somebody modifies their ride with a wing that "doesn't belong".
We build our cars to please ourselves. While we may hope others like what we've done, ultimately their likes/dislikes shouldn't influence what we want to see on our own cars. Nor should enthusiasts be "hood shamed" for their choices. I'm building my car to make ME happy, not you. I really don't care if my choices make you twitch. My '71 Cutlass S will remain wingless and flat hooded, the way it came.
Yes, I'm building an unapologetic 1970 Cutlass with lots of non-Olds engine parts, Tremec trans, non-original rear end components, probably a loud exhaust, a wing and an OAI hood. Why? Because I'm building a car that will make me grin when I drive it. I'll be too busy burning dinosaurs to notice anyone's grimaces!
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