Picked up my next project. The one I will keep for a long time when it is done. Here are a couple of pic. A nice 1967 cutlass can somebody help me out it has no badges 2 red tail lights. back up lights are in bumper.

 

Nice find. Looks solid.

I'm not the expert on these years. It looks like an old respray on the paint. Witch means the emblems and maybe trim were probably deleted for the current styling trend. You probably know, its either an f-85 or a cutlass...supreme.

Like the seats, wonder where they came from?

Have you had any time to do any number crunching yet?

 

No I haven't just brought home yesterday. I didn't have time today. didn't thing someboby may have removed them. the seats where put in by last owner. They will come out and be replaced with buckets.

 

Congrats on your new project. Is it a hardtop, can't tell from the pictures. The seats are not original to the car.

 

Car appears to be a 67 Cutlass Supreme Sport Coupe and that means its a post car. Will be a nice project.

 

Yes its a sport coupe and very solid metal can't wait to start.

 

With air and looks really solid.

 

Got to love these post cars.

Post up the data tag on the fire wall. I am sure, some one will help decode it for you

 

I believe the data plate is gone it has been to cold to spend much time trying to see If its gone or covered up with rust proofing

 

Finally got some time to look at the car the data plate is gone. Is there anyway to tell form the serial number what model it is all the badges have been removed. other than

 

The appearance pretty much identifies what this car is, a 67 Cutlass Supreme Sport Coupe. It appears to have AC although it may have had a bench seat originally since it looks to have had the front seats replaced. The serial number can be decoded somewhat but I dont think it will tell you the trim tag info such as date produced and options noted on trim tag.

 

Yes, the second and third characters of the VIN are the model line and the fourth and fifth are the body style. I'll bet that your VIN starts out 33807xxx, which would make it a Cutlass Supreme Sport Coupe.

 

Yup, based on the all red tail lights and backup lights in the bumper? Cutlass Supreme Sport Coupe. 1967 the CS was the only model that the 442 package (L78) was available for. This could also be a turnpike cruiser (L66) if it has a 400 CID 2 bbl engine. Not likely it was a 442 because the hood is wrong and the nameplate on the dash has Cutlass Supreme on it instead of the 442 logo. Still, check out the engine; if it's a 400 you just might have a scarce car.


Too bad the data plate is gone, but the VIN tag on the A pillar should tell you what factory it was built at. The cowl tag for your car would have some information that might have been helpful if you were looking to go back to original. It would look something like this:


You still have a really nice looking car that's a great project in the rough.

 

Thanks for the info the vin no is 338177m is this helpful.

 

Are you sure it is not 33807? That is what it should be. I wonder now if your car had the vin tag swapped and trim tag removed so they could not be compared?

 

^^^^THIS!

The car in the photo is a Sport Coupe, which came with a 338077 VIN. The 338177 VIN would be for a Holiday Coupe, which is a hardtop.

Danger, Will Robinson!

 

X2 on Chris and Joe's comment.
This is a 338077 (your car) which is a Sport Coupe (aka post coupe) Note the framing around the door glass and quarter glass. You also have a B pillar just in front of the rear quarter glass.


THIS is a 338177, aka "Holiday' coupe. Aka HT coupe. Notice the difference around the side door and quarter windows? This is something you can't do with a post coupe

 

A GOOD picture of the VIN plate would likely prove very interesting.

 

It may already have... The OP has been quiet since the VIN discrepancy was flagged.

 

Just trying sort this out. And decide what to do. I have the police Involved at this point if it gets confiscated I will be out several thousand dollars

 

anybody got any good advice what would you do.

 

That's really to bad if that happens, at least you are doing the right thing maybe they will reissue a vin and you will beable to at least keep it. I have heard of people swapping bodies due to rust maybe this is a inacent swap with no foul play in mind

 

Did you go back to the seller and see if there was any additional information as to why there is a discrepancy in the VIN versus the actual body style?

 

NO I have not been able to get in touch with him

 

It's not against the law to remove the cowl tag. It is to remove/alter the VIN though. Someone's done a dirty deed on this car and you're the unfortunate victim. Police will likely chase down the VIN to find anyone who reported their CS HT stolen. If the VIN is from a stolen car, I think you will lose the car.

 

Let's hope this gets resolved, and you can keep the car!

 

Does this year have the vin on the frame ? If so it might be the post car vin or the ht vin

 

Yes, the vin is on the left rear frame horn, between the wheel arch and the bumper bracket. Would really be tough to see without a lift and some cleaning.

 

I have consulted with a police veteran of 30 years and he said if the title and the car match there is not an issue. But if I was still concerned I could call the Secretary of state police and who he knows personally and he could clear this up for me.

 

My guess would be that someone had 2 67 cutlases,the post car had no title and was a decent car. The hdtp was a junker with a title. The guy couldnt get any money for the post car with out a title,sooo the guy pulled off the cowl tag which most people look at when buying a car, and swapped out the vins.Check and see if the vin tag has roset rivets or plain round rivets. Its much eisier to pull the vins on 67 and back cars sinch you dont have to pull the windshield to do so. Either the seller commited this fraud or the car was sold to him this way and figured he could just pass it off on someone else. In any case you should have First exhausted ALL possibilities of contacting the guy you bought it from before contacting the cops. If the Secretary of State is brought in You WILL lose the car and all your $$. I would go to the guys house and camp out till he shows and give him the option of giving you your money back plus extra for your time and grief, or going to Jail. I assure you if the SOS is brought in you will be the loser. I have a friend who was with the SOS theft division for 30yrs when this happens they will conficate the car. I had a similar situation happen about 18 years ago I contacted my friend and he advised me to do the same thing I just suggested to you,he also said I didnt even hear a word of what you told me and I dont want to know more unless you cant resolve it with the seller. Thankfully when I contacted the seller he didnt want to spend time in Jail.

Greg

 

Your police veteran is mistaken. I once owned a 1967 Cutlass Holiday Coupe that was stolen from me. The thieves apparently swapped the VIN and resold the car. I was later called into court to testify. The buyers got slapped with receiving stolen property based partly on the fact that the new VIN did not match the body style of the car.

By the way, it is not illegal to remove and replace a VIN tag under US federal law if reasonably required for repair (per US Code Part 18, Section 511). It IS illegal if the VIN is removed or tampered with when one intended to commit fraud. State laws vary and are typically not as clear (as an example, in MD, the way the lay is worded, it is technically illegal to change the VIN derivative stampings also, which means that swapping engines, transmissions, or frames is illegal under the letter of the law - though I'm not aware of anyone being prosecuted under this law).

I don't even play a lawyer on TV, so you need to be sure you are protected legally and financially. The fact that the seller won't talk to you should tell you something. The burden of proof in civil lawsuit cases is typically less than in criminal cases (ask O.J. about that...). I'd personally be very nervous about putting any effort into a car with a clearly incorrect VIN, even if I had a state-issued title.

 

The frame stamp is not a complete VIN, only a VIN derivative. It is only nine characters, not 13, and does not contain the important second through fifth characters of the VIN, which are the model and body style. Of course, the last six characters may or may not match, depending on if this body was put on a different frame or not. And frankly, how many here have cars that have had a frame swap?

 

I bought a trailer that ended up was stolen, at the end of the day it cost less then 300.00 bucks to get it figured out. the owner was paid out by insurance and the insurance company didn't want to deal with it so they released it
The state of Utah reissued a vin for it took 3 months if I remember correctly. I was lucky in my case.

Vin on the frame the last number match the vin then you know it was a body swap for sure, might not had been intended as fraud but was. It's a gamble. I was thinking it would have the whole vin and it would match the post vin sad that it's just a partial you could have researched that vin to see if it was a red flag. I wouldn't touch the car tell you figure it out! contact the seller see where you can get there
Good luck

 

Further to what Joe stated, I know that frames produced after 67 will have the same VIN Derivative stamped into specified frame locations (2) that will be found on the engine stamping pads and some transmissions. I have not seen the VIN Derivative on a pre 68 frame though. The VIN Derivative follows the formula:
Division (eg: 3 = Oldsmobile)
Year (eg: 2 = 1972 model year)
Plant (eg: M - Lansing, Z - Freemont etc)
Last 6 digits of manufacturing VIN

So the VIN derivative of my car (as example) is 32M208783 which I have verified on my engine and TH350. Haven't had the body off to find the other frame stampings though. I'm sure they're there though.

Here's a nice thread that shows some frame stampings in nice detail.

 

All is well with the car secretary of state police put a new vin tag on it and i am good yo go
Does any one know where to buy a window and door seal kit for a sport coup

 

Very Nice!

 

Steele Rubber

Note that they call a Sport/Club Coupe a "2dr coupe" and they call a Holiday Coupe a "2dr hardtop".

 

Hope you plan on keeping it a loooong time. A secretary of State vin tag is like having a salvage title,the cars value will be greatly diminished.Ive seen this many times.


Greg

 

Does any one know if the original door panels are available for the sport coupe and who sells them

Bryan

 

Bryan, glad you got the car legal now. Don't worry about the state issued vin. Its easily explained. Does Legendary carry door panels for a post car?