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Old Aug 31, 2017 | 09:54 AM
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Maybe a dumb question???

This maybe a dumb question. Also a question I am sure has been asked 100 times. please don't beat me up too hard. I have seen and know about a few rare type of Oldsmobiles but, my question is which of all (W30,W31,442,H/O,Hurst,Pace car) which one is considered to be more rare then the other???
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Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 70cutlass831guy
TAlso a question I am sure has been asked 100 times.
You are correct, it has.

1966 W-30. 54 made.

1969 W-32 convertible and sport coupe 25 made each.

1972 Hurst/Olds convertible 130 made

And yes, I am talking production cars, not hand-built showcars like the $3.4M F88.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:26 AM
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[QUOTE=joe_padavano;1040188]You are correct, it has.

1966 W-30. 54 made.

1969 W-32 convertible and sport coupe 25 made each.

1972 Hurst/Olds convertible 130 made


Ok so if there was a 70 cutlass 442 and a 70 cutlass H/O next to each other and they gave you the option to pick one to keep. which would it be ??
I should have been more specific about my question. I am referring to 68-72 model year cutlass.
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Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
You are correct, it has.
, not hand-built showcars like the $3.4M F88.
I tried google to see the F88 . anymore details on it? I would like to see it. Thanks.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:31 AM
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I would guess it depends on who you ask. I would prefer the 442, but it would depend on what options was on the car.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 70cutlass831guy
Ok so if there was a 70 cutlass 442 and a 70 cutlass H/O next to each other and they gave you the option to pick one to keep. which would it be ??
I should have been more specific about my question. I am referring to 68-72 model year cutlass.
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Well there is no such thing as a "70 cutlass H/O", and for that matter, there is no such thing as a "70 cutlass 442" either.

Hurst/Olds cars were only made in the 1968, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1979, 1983, and 1984 model years.

In 1970, the 442 was a separate model with a separate VIN. It was not a Cutlass.

You have now asked two very different questions. What is your real question?

Finally, type oldsmobile f 88 into Google Images
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:40 AM
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I would guess it depends on who you ask. I would prefer the 442, but it would depend on what options was on the car.

See another model I forgot to mention the Rallye 350.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:43 AM
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I meant would you choose a H/O or a 442?
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 10:59 AM
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what model holds more value . 442,H/O,HURST, lettered car W30,W31,W32, Pace car Rallye350? from 68 to 72 and whatever other special models I have not mentioned or don't know about.
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Originally Posted by 70cutlass831guy
I meant would you choose a H/O or a 442?
Again, what is your real question? A 1968 H/O has greater performance. A 1970 W-30 convertible loaded with every option available will bring the highest price at Barrett Jackson (despite being the slowest W-30 ever made). Are you asking rarity? Value? Resale? Performance? Your question is too vague to merit an answer.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 11:03 AM
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F88 this car is nice.
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Old Aug 31, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Again, what is your real question? A 1968 H/O has greater performance. A 1970 W-30 convertible loaded with every option available will bring the highest price at Barrett Jackson (despite being the slowest W-30 ever made). Are you asking rarity? Value? Resale? Performance? Your question is too vague to merit an answer.

That's exactly what I wanted to know . a fully optioned w30 will bring more money then a H/O.
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Old Aug 31, 2017 | 11:19 AM
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Hmm, while you are on a roll Joe, what is the fastest (1/4 mi.) production W30 ever made?
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Hmm, while you are on a roll Joe, what is the fastest (1/4 mi.) production W30 ever made?
The QUICKEST production W-30 is probably the 66. Of course, this assumes a properly optioned, properly prepared car on slicks. A 1970 W-30 convert automatic with A/C, power brakes, and a 3.23 axle will be a pig. A 70 manual trans W-30, stripped, with 4.33 gears will scream. The 66 cars were lighter, had forged short stroke cranks, and owned C/Stock in 1966.
Old Aug 31, 2017 | 04:49 PM
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Joe, I love it when you B-slap someone except for when it's me. Always makes me LOL uncontrollably. By the way is there any truth to 2 H/O 69' convertibles ever being made? Read it in a magazine years ago there were but have never seen proof of a real one.
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By the way is there any truth to 2 H/O 69' convertibles ever being made? Read it in a magazine years ago there were but have never seen proof of a real one.


There were THREE made, actually. One of the original two was destroyed in a trailering accident in 1969, so Hurst built a replacement. The two cars were used at races, as shown in the photo. One was an east coast car and one was a west coast car. Linda Vaughn owned one of them for a while.
Old Sep 1, 2017 | 05:23 AM
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So is it safe to say they were built only as show vehicles for the track? Meaning was there any intent back then to offer them as a production vehicle for the public? If so that would be the rarest "A" body and should be worth a few bucks. If not then it falls to #2 after the F88.

Not sure what a 70' loaded W-30 is bringing in theses days but I would guess the 69' conv't H/O would be in the high hundreds if not much more. What's a #1 condition 69' H/O going for these days 80 to 110K? That is if you can find one that good someone will part with.

That's a brave woman to be hanging on to a shifter going around the track, in heels no less. Are the cables for her or to support the shifter? You know that would never happen today with all the safety precautions.

Now that's my dream girl eh I mean car.
Old Sep 1, 2017 | 05:29 AM
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So is it safe to say they were built only as show vehicles for the track? Meaning was there any intent back then to offer them as a production vehicle for the public? If so that would be the rarest "A" body and should be worth a few bucks. If not then it falls to #2 after the F88.
Correct, these were never offered to the public. Understand that these cars were not built by Oldsmobile, but were just custom cars built by Hurst (OK, Demmer actually). There were a number of one-off cars built by Hurst that never made production.



Old Sep 1, 2017 | 06:09 AM
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She looks much better with her hair down on the 70', oh sorry this is a car site. Wow I've never seen the 68' H/O or the 70'.
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She looks much better with her hair down on the 70', oh sorry this is a car site. Wow I've never seen the 68' H/O or the 70'.
The person on the 70 isn't Linda.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
You are correct, it has.

1966 W-30. 54 made.

1969 W-32 convertible and sport coupe 25 made each.

1972 Hurst/Olds convertible 130 made

And yes, I am talking production cars, not hand-built showcars like the $3.4M F88.
Joe i normally agree with you! That being said the 1954 f88 was a concept car. It wasn't actually built to be a show car per say. It was a what if that got rejected by a bunch dumb asses. It was without a doubt a better car the those dumb vets that gm chose which were slow 6 cylinder ho hum boring slugs. I know the 54 f88 was a modified vet body but much more a better car.JMO
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