Interesting Olds
#1
Interesting Olds
Here's one for ya, that is if you have a little extra pocket change:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=390129889533
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=390129889533
#6
How does he come up with a such a precise asking price? $229,900? How do you begin to come up with a value for a car like this? He could ask $150,000 or $555,000, and nobody would think it out of line.
By the way, the Old Cars Price Guide puts the value of a #1 condtion 1967 Toronado 2-door Custom hardtop at $18,000, $19,800 if it's the "425" Delmont series (whatever that is), and $23,400 for one with the W-30 option. It appears that Mr. Barris has not been reading the price guide.
By the way, the Old Cars Price Guide puts the value of a #1 condtion 1967 Toronado 2-door Custom hardtop at $18,000, $19,800 if it's the "425" Delmont series (whatever that is), and $23,400 for one with the W-30 option. It appears that Mr. Barris has not been reading the price guide.
Last edited by jaunty75; December 19th, 2009 at 05:52 AM.
#7
How does he come up with a such a precise asking price? $229,900? How do you begin to come up with a value for a car like this? He could ask $150,000 or $555,000, and nobody would think it out of line.
By the way, the Old Cars Price Guide puts the value of a #1 condtion 1967 Toronado 2-door Custom hardtop at $18,000, $19,800 if it's the "425" Delmont series (whatever that is), and $23,400 for one with the W-30 option. It appears that Mr. Barris has not been reading the price guide.
By the way, the Old Cars Price Guide puts the value of a #1 condtion 1967 Toronado 2-door Custom hardtop at $18,000, $19,800 if it's the "425" Delmont series (whatever that is), and $23,400 for one with the W-30 option. It appears that Mr. Barris has not been reading the price guide.
Reading the price guide???
What does that even remotely have to do with anything??
There are a few special circumstances to consider that they don't list in there.
#8
#10
I went to that classic car dealership here in St. Louis about 3 weeks ago and saw it in person. It's gigantic! There's another Barris car (of the Munsters and Batmobile fame) in the same show room. That one has marble inlaid into the door panels. The handles on the inside looked like they were taken from a casket. Pretty wild.
Last edited by stlbluesbrother; December 19th, 2009 at 08:07 AM.
#11
You're getting right to the heart of the whole customization matter. It's definitely a personal thing. They're really not cars anymore so much as they are artwork that happens to have wheels and a motor, and art is definitely an individual to individual thing.
Last edited by jaunty75; December 19th, 2009 at 08:14 AM.
#12
I grew up near N. Hollywood (George Barris country) and during the sixties when he was considered "all in" among car enthusiasts. He went to creative extremes with his car art back in the day - that no one came close to in that neck of the woods. I never thought I'd see the day that one of his customized cars would reach in the hundred of thousands of dollars - from this local guy growing in popularity. Glad to see it though, even if the price seems questionable!
#13
Just an Olds Guy
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Couldn't resist this next bit, so if you're a purist for art or interpretation, and don't appreciate dripping sarcasm or satirical point of view stop reading now.
Personally the outside doesn't appeal that much to me, but the interior concepts look great! I love real wood. However, too many sharp edges on some of the woodwork and I don't really like the cheap way the wheel flares have pieces of metal as rock protection flaps, not that this car is really intended to be driven, right? Can you imagine the headache of trying to maneuver in and out of a parking spot? Considering they've "allowed a $20,000.00 discount" just for being on ebay, I might ask for an additional 35,000.00 discount for personal taste compensation and see what happens from there. If they offer free wall mounting and delivery, this could be the deal of the century!!! Wait, there's more, I can't see if signed somewhere by Barris, like what C. Shelby does. No signature? it's just a cheap knockoff......and used at that ...Good for another price drop??? Nawww, someone out there with a woody for Barris cars will pony up and pay full retail, then restore it to original, right????? For anyone with that much money, this is just pocket change. Wonder if Leno is interested in a mate for his Toro?
#15
Yes Barris has done some great customizing jobs on many cars, especially Corvettes. But when I saw what this was and how much they wanted for it, I wondered who would even be interested. That price is definitely "out there"
#16
Personally, if i was going to buy a toro, I would get this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BEAUT...item1e598fde0e
Looks like a real nice one but it probably would not fit in my garage!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BEAUT...item1e598fde0e
Looks like a real nice one but it probably would not fit in my garage!
#17
I can't understand people paying 3 million for a picaso either but then I could never afford it. Someone with loads of dough will buy it because it's a barris and 1 of 2 and this one has just been redone. the fit and finish on the car is excellent even if you don't like the style.
#18
A Delmont "425" an 88, not a Toronado subset.
W30 is strictly 442. Toronado W car was W34, and they didn't come around till 68.
Barris has created some outstanding customs, but like other custom shops has built his share of atrocities too. I think the Alexander Brothers built the most consistently tasteful cars.
#22
Personally, if i was going to buy a toro, I would get this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BEAUT...item1e598fde0e
Looks like a real nice one but it probably would not fit in my garage!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BEAUT...item1e598fde0e
Looks like a real nice one but it probably would not fit in my garage!
What do you guys think of the 1968 W-34 for sale in TX?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...item19b89fe272
#23
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That is a nice example. Many a 1971-78s Toronado met its fate in a junkyard.
What do you guys think of the 1968 W-34 for sale in TX?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...item19b89fe272
What do you guys think of the 1968 W-34 for sale in TX?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...item19b89fe272
#24
#25
Toronado production:
1968 -- 26,454
1969 -- 28,494
No mention of how many had the W-34 option. Only that it was available.
For comparison, about 40,000 Toros were built in the first year, 1966. After that, production hovered in the 20,000-30,000 range through 1971 before jumping to almost 50,000 in 1972.
#26
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One need only ask.
Toronado production:
1968 -- 26,454
1969 -- 28,494
No mention of how many had the W-34 option. Only that it was available.
For comparison, about 40,000 Toros were built in the first year, 1966. After that, production hovered in the 20,000-30,000 range through 1971 before jumping to almost 50,000 in 1972.
Toronado production:
1968 -- 26,454
1969 -- 28,494
No mention of how many had the W-34 option. Only that it was available.
For comparison, about 40,000 Toros were built in the first year, 1966. After that, production hovered in the 20,000-30,000 range through 1971 before jumping to almost 50,000 in 1972.
#27
Olds built almost 663,000 cars in 1968. About 311,000 of these were A bodies, about 26,000 Toronados, and the rest B bodies.
For 1969, Olds built just under 700,000 cars. About 307,000 were A bodies, about 365,000 B bodies, and about 28,000 Toronados.
#28
One need only ask.
Toronado production:
1968 -- 26,454
1969 -- 28,494
No mention of how many had the W-34 option. Only that it was available.
For comparison, about 40,000 Toros were built in the first year, 1966. After that, production hovered in the 20,000-30,000 range through 1971 before jumping to almost 50,000 in 1972.
Toronado production:
1968 -- 26,454
1969 -- 28,494
No mention of how many had the W-34 option. Only that it was available.
For comparison, about 40,000 Toros were built in the first year, 1966. After that, production hovered in the 20,000-30,000 range through 1971 before jumping to almost 50,000 in 1972.
1968 -- 111, less than 30 know, ambe about 27 now.
1969 -- ? (I asked this question to Helen Early,back in 1988, Olds did not have the figures for 1969), but more than 1968. President of TOA (has 2 or 3 1969 W-34s), says maybe 2,000-2500.
1970 (also know as GTs) -- 5,341
It seems 1969 W-34s, are harder to fingd than 68s. I have t seen only three 69 W-34s (engineless gold 69 in NH, blue from Maine(both cars long gone, but I have the 455 and OM tranny from the blue Olds).
Back in 1996, some fellow from NC, got ripped off for $3500-$3600 on a #4 sivler example. He got is from a low-life in Scarbough ,Maine.\He drove it from Maine to NC and the control arm let go, just when he go to his driveway.
I have seen four 68 W-34s in person.
Last edited by toro68; December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 AM.
#31
Well, it didn't sell but it has been relisted with a $40k price break. What a screamin deal!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...item5ad5ce47de
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-...item5ad5ce47de
#32
I guess it's called testing the market. I still wonder what's the point with the unusual starting price. $187,770. Why not just $188,000? And then his buy it now price is only a few dollars more, relatively speaking, at $189,000. I don't get it.
#33
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My thoughts....
I don't get it either. Maybe it's a typo; it should read starting bid 87,770.00.... ??? Generally the buy it now is a good indicator of what they want. Never could understand starting an auction at .01 with a buy it now of 75,000.00 either, because the reserve will never be met until its darn close to the buy it now.
#34
#35
I don't get it either. Maybe it's a typo; it should read starting bid 87,770.00.... ???
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