I have a 1969 olds 442 frame off resto #s matching car for sale on here and on the classic car trader. I have it listed for 20k and went down to 17,500. I checked the nada classic car values and found the high retail is 46k.....I was shocked!!! THis car is in excellent condition and needs nothing just as they described. Im wondering if I have the car listed too low?? Just cause it values for that amount don't mean it will go sell that much. How do I know how much its worth and how much to sell it for? Any help would be greatly appriciated. I do have about 17k in resto parts from year one and about 5k-8k in the built 455. Thankyou...Robert

 

How much is my classic car worth??
I have a 1969 olds 442 frame off resto #s matching car for sale on here and on the classic car trader. I have it listed for 20k and went down to 17,500. I checked the nada classic car values and found the high retail is 46k.....I was shocked!!! THis car is in excellent condition and needs nothing just as they described. Im wondering if I have the car listed too low?? Just cause it values for that amount don't mean it will go sell that much. How do I know how much its worth and how much to sell it for? Any help would be greatly appriciated. I do have about 17k in resto parts from year one and about 5k-8k in the built 455. Thankyou...Robert

 

Pics would help people gauge the condition.

November 2009 Hemmings Motor News has a 442 buying guide.
On Page #23 it says a 1969 442 values are as follows. (Mind you the market sucks)
Low = $16,000
Average = $28,000
High = $74,500

But IMHO a 1969 442 with a frame off restoration should be sold for ALOT more then just $17,500.
Hell, the parts alone to restore the car to all new condition would be WELL above that amount.
Is it all original seat upholstery and door panels, trim, paint, etc ???

Or is it all brand new ?? Huge difference.

 

I just saw it in the for sale section, looks nice but with only 2 pics hard to tell. From your description it is definitely worth what you are asking as just going through a screwed up restoration I know how much you can spend and get ripped off. Trouble is it is a terrible economy and your car needs a certain buyer, even though you have the correct motor its not in the car, custom rims, custom engine etc. all take away the value to some but to someone else this could be a deal.

 

Then I'd say it's priced too low. What do you want for it? What will satisfy you. If $17,500 will make you happy then leave it at that price. If you feel it's worth $25,000 and can hold out then ask $27,000. If you really need the money then do what you have to to sell it. It's up to you. But if it's not selling at $20K it will be even tougher to sell at $25K. Have you tried Kijiji, Craigslist, ebay or a national old car trader.

Heck, this is the 21st Century. Advertise in Canada and Mexico too. Just watch out for scams where people send you certified cheques for more than you're asking and then ask you to cash it and send back the difference. You do and a few days later the bank calls you and says the cheque bounced and you're stuck paying the bank back and the scammer get's his cash that you're responsible for. Scams know no nationality, race or sex. So becareful. What was the question

 

Deja Vu. I thought I answered this

 

Thanks for all the info, I couldn't figure out how to get pics posted to my ad. A member posted those pics for me somehow. I think I am asking too low! Thought about going to cassic car auction with it. May even put original motor back in. I was alot younger when the car was done, Don't get me wrong...its all done right, just wanted alot of muscle back then. Its still very streetable though. Thanks for all the info.

 

sorry, posted this in the wrong topic at first, just coppied and paisted it to the general discussion. Thanks again

 

Not original interior, it was so rough it all had to be replaced, its all new from year one. Paint is bright yellow, original color is the gold.

 

In this economy 20 K would be about right IMO, if it restored to factory original or a convertible you might be talking more but not much. Things are rough, I have a restored and matching numbers '68 GTO convertible and your lucky to get 25 K for one right now.
You can't start adding up resto costs and expect to get them back unless you really have something special, and even them you may just break even , the car hobby doesn't work that way.
If you want a boat they're even harder to sell, probably get a real nice ship worth way more than you could get for the car in trade.

 

I just saw your pics.

The engine bay looks mint, and if the rest of the car is new with a frame off.
I would highly recommend calling Mecum auto auction or Barrett Jackson
if you want the most money you can get.

At the VERY LEAST I'm sure you will get your asking price.
But I'd chance it and see what kind of $$$ you can get.
It's too nice to let go for $17,500 IMHO.

However......if you really want to sell this car, you need a HELL of alot better photo's that are larger and more in depth.
Pictures sell a car.....not words. Get some BIG pictures of the car and get a file going to save them all.

 

As I've said before, these price guides are just that - a guide. There isn't enough hard data on sale prices of these cars for form a statistically valid price model, especially for relatively rare cars and options. Combine that with the fact that most of the data comes from auction results, which tend to be not in the real world. Usually there are only a handful of data points and a lot of estimating to fill in the blanks. Just be aware of that and use the information accordingly.

 

It is only worth that to a collector or someone that has to have a 69 442. Otherwise, it is just an overpriced muscle car in this economy.

I keep dropping the price on my 68 442 and can't even get a response. I even ran it on ebay with an opening bid of 12K, no bites. I thought at least if someone were to bid on it, it would give me an idea of what someone is willing to pay. I can't even get an offer! Actually, I had a call this week from a guy in New York. It is the second call I've had in a year of trying to sell. He just kept talking about a camaro he used to have, and Mopars that he want's to buy. That kind of tells you what the average joe is looking for. Not run of the mill 442's. The rare ones might be selling better.. Verts, W-'s, 4 speeds, etc.

I wish you the best of luck.

 

Collector Car Market Review shows prices for a '69 442 ranging from about $30,000 for a 2-door coupe or hardtop to about $40,000 for a convertible in #1 condition.

http://collectorcarmarket.com/menus/.../69ol4442.html


The Old Cars Price Guide shows that same range of values for their #2 condition, which is about the same as CCMR's #1. In #1 condition (better than showroom, never driven, trailered everywhere), the OCPG values range from $42,000 for a 2-door coupe to $59,000 for a convertible.

 

Repeat after me:
The amount of money spent on a restoration is irrelevent to the amount of money a buyer is willing to pay.

I'm not saying that restoration costs never affect the final agreed selling price. If the seller is stubborn and wants to recoup some of his costs, then it may force the buyer to raise his offer. But he's just as likely to walk away. In general, at any point in time a car has an intrinsic value to the market in general and a buyer in particular -- regardless of what path that car took to reach that condition.

 

It is the economy ! I recently visited Thornton Restorations and they certainly confirmed the market for collector cars has taken a major hit these last 2 years. He told me I could do a frame off resto for about $50K on my W-30. However, if I sold it I would break even between what I paid and the resto cost. The only advantages to the resto are: 1) Resto costs are down a bit it seems 2) It would help it sell much easier now....though I'd just break even. 3) If I didn't want to sell and held on to it I should see a good profit in a few years (maybe 3 maybe more).

 

The money has dried up. 3 years ago anyone that could fog a mirror could get a home equidy loan for 20-30K and go buy the car, boat, bike ect of thier dreams and many were. Now it takes someone that really has the cash and there are a lot more cars for sale than there are of those kind of people. Those also tend to be the type of people that were wise with thier money in the first place and can be patient. They can have the pick of the litter the way things are right now and they know it.

 

Thanks Captain Obvious!!!


The 2nd part of your epiphany was my point.
If he's got that much into the cars restoration, it's going to be worth MORE then
a bone stock OEM all original untouched 442 in mediocre condition.

Unless it's a fire sale for fast cash needed, I'd hold onto it for a better price.

 

Don't forget the 15-20% haircut you may take at one of those auctions for fees/commissions, etc.

The economy is tanked and bubbles have burst all over the place. These cars are hardly immune.

 

I looked this up on the Mecum auctions website. They've got a live auction from St. Charles, Illinois going on this weekend on HD Theater.

Anyway, the fees are not as bad as this. For any sale of $10,000 and above, the fee is 6% if the car is sold with reserve, 4% if it's not.

For sales between $5,500 and $9,999, the fee is a flat $500 if there is a reserve, $250 if there is no reserve. Percentage-wise that would be a range of 5% to 9% with a reserve, 2.5 to 4.5% with no reserve.

For sales up to $5,499, the fee is a flat $300 with reserve and $150 without. For a car selling for, say, $5,000, those would be 6% and 3%. For a car selling for $2,500, those percentages would be double. I doubt that many people would put a car up for auction if it wasn't likely to bring at least a few thousand dollars.

 

Ugh, I thought it was next weekend, I go every year - just to watch, amazing thing to go to, sometimes stunning deals sometimes stupid money - always entertaining - and the person that looks the most likely NOT to have a grade school diploma is the one spending the most money - its always entertaining, and a great place to learn how not to judge others Though because its an auction you look at cars and tend to say - oh that's how that is suppose to be, and then you have to pause and remember that most of us probably know more about that particular car then than the person selling it.

 

The Audi Q5 really kicks ***, dontcha think?

 

Not necessarily. I'll take a worn original car over a bucks-up resto any day. In my experience, virtually any "resto" that you see today has been altered from original. Options are always added, work may or may not be done as per the factory, etc.

 

That's your personal preference.

But I agree with you that when OEM parts are replaced with OER , you have to keep the car hidden for the most part.
You can't keep it outdoors because the OER materials are made out of complete crap materials that don't last.
Here's some examples.

I have 442 logo's I bought that were OER.
One of them is already showing wear after 1 year. (No pics)

The OER package trays ?? I've burned through a mesh and solid one in each of my classics.
They curl up and absorb moisture and get ruined in less then a year. Here's my 1 year old 442 package tray.
I've gone through 2 in each car. I'm replacing it with an all new home made hardboard custom tray.
Here's the one I made for my Camaro before I put the Vinyl on it. http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...l/DSC02480.jpg
This pic is my 442 solid package tray I bought new last Sept. Garbage. No leaks in my window either.
DSC02479.jpg

The OER weatherstripping I bought, complete junk after 3 years on my Camaro.
Check this out. This stuff looks worse then OEM on a 30 year old car. This is just 3 years bro......it's craptastic.
Stay AWAY from OER Latex weatherstripping. It's complete garbage.

 

I think it depends on the resto. But, here we get into the bucks discussion again. I really want to see these cars last - that is be around in the future. Did anyone see the last Star Trek film where Capt Kirk as a young boy is driving that 1960's Corvette? That would have made the car a bit over 200 years old. It couldn't have looked that good without a quality resto

SO....I am in favor of restos. In particular the high quality ones. I am not in favor at all of adding options, but if they are it is not a big deal. Well so long as you don't try to pawn it off as original that way. Even if you did adding options to an undocumented car won't mean much, and if u have an original documented car you wouldn't want to add options as you would actually detract from the value.

 

My inside sources tell me the car was created from a replicator. There was no restoration done.

 

Really? I had heard it was a barn find.

 

 

I don't think they had replicators until the next generation.

 

Maybe I'm as dumb as my kids say , but if this is a "numbers matching " car how come it has a 455 engine? .... I thought the 69 442 only came with a 400cid engine . Derek

 

HA! You see how I cleaverly worded it to catch you in my trap? Only another Geek would know that....did I say "another"? OK. I was trying to slip it by but you got me. Live long and prosper.

 

You didn't say what options it has. 4-speed or auto?

At the risk of sounding like I'm picking, you said it was a matching numbers car with a built 455.
Unless it's an H/O, it should have a 400 to be matching numbers.
Even though you've got a bundle in the engine, not being matching numbers has a defiinite impact on the value.

 

thanks for all the input and info, I sold the car today to a guy from michigan. the car is going back home to lancing... Sale price 15k cash. Couldn't refuse!!

 

$15K ............oh man

 

I don't care how bad it gets I am NOT selling my 442! I do feel for those that have to
though. I am trying to sell my 1950 convertable plymouth hotrod and not a nibble
Screw it!! I am keeping them both

 

I am trying to find out how much my grandma's car is worth. It is a 1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. It has less than 40,000 miles, all original paint and interior.

 

Mint 2 door $3000 +/-

4 door what ever parts can be sold to someone with a 2-door and scrap value price on the rest. G-body cars just don't bring any money with few exceptions (GN , 442 , HO , aero cars , ect)

 

A car, any car, is only worth what someone will stroke a check for! Joe is right on the guides, they have never purchased a car!

If anyone is restoring an Oldsmobile, it's out of love, because it sure ain't gonna be for fun and profit! If you pay someone to restore it, the amount of pain is multiplied.

Yes, there are exceptions to this rule!

 

Well put Oldcutlass.

It's kind of like how I'm doing a recondition type restore on my 85 delta 88, it's nothing special by all means but for some reason I like the car a lot, it keeps me busy to tinker with and get it back to #3 condition at least as far as cosmetics go. Mechanically it's sound. I'm most certainly not doing up this car for a profit, just something classy and fun to drive. Most of all it's SAFE and RELIABLE (as long as it has fuel )

 

I looking at 1992 merkery capri its a conver 2 door rusty need a value to start thank you