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A photo of the complete cowl tag would be helpful, since we don't even know if this car is a hardtop or convertible.
ST69 = 1969 model year
59 B PNT = Meadow Green Poly (59) lower body color with black (B) either vinyl top or convertible top, depending on which you have.
TR 942 = green vinyl bench seat interior
05A = built first week (A) of May (05) 1969
Thanks Joe for all that good information I didn’t wanna upload the picture of the tag because I didn’t know if there was any info that should not be shown on the Internet. It’s a convertible and here is the picture. Is there any more info I can get on it? Here is the tag right here joe joe
Thanks Joe for all that good information I didn’t wanna upload the picture of the tag because I didn’t know if there was any info that should not be shown on the Internet. It’s a convertible and here is the picture. Is there any more info I can get on it? Here is the tag right here joe joe
33667 = Oldsmobile (3) Cutlass S (36) convertible (67). Note that it is well documented that Olds used 336xx cowl tags on 442s also for the 1968-69 model years, so depending on the VIN this could also be a 442.
LAN = Lansing assembly plant
382110 = Fisher Body sequence number.
FYI, this isn't the VIN - there's no "secret" information on it. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what the scam is that people are worried about with photos of their VIN, license plate, etc on the web.
Hello
I bough
t the car a few months ago it was in a front an accident I got it silver with burgundy stripes and burgundy interior I want to go back all original what do you think?
Your call on going back to original. but frankly you'll be spending a lot of money (and the green bench seat interior parts will probably be tough to get) while devaluing the car. Why is the trim tag not on the car, just out of curiosity?
Joe joe the car was hit really bad in the front and we had to do some work on the crawl area so I took it off so it won’t get damaged Should I have not took it off joe ?
The engine and trans each have a VIN derivative stamp. The first character of the VIN derivative will match the first character of the VIN, and the last eight of the VIN derivative will match the last eight of the VIN.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what the scam is that people are worried about with photos of their VIN, license plate, etc on the web.
The scam is auto thievery.
Examples:
(1) Unscrupulous thieves/posters (with no traceable forum (think FB) member identification [other than true MAC address]) peruse FB, Twitter, etc. securing statements of information regarding when someone will be on vacation, not home, daily work schedule, pictures with really nice NC SQUAT CARS, etc. These ruffians are perusing opportunities for thievery;
(2) VIN numbers. Many avenues to secure dealership, owner information from state DMV offices/software, etc. when transfer of ownership occurs (title transfers, notaries, etc.) Much of this information is often garnered by the workers themselves employed by these organizations (much of this type crime occurs from within);
(3) License Plate. For the same reasons I mentioned in (2); yet, far, far easier since there exist a plethora of programs to trace License Plate numbers demonstrating owner's address.
Examples:
(1) Unscrupulous thieves/posters (with no traceable forum (think FB) member identification [other than true MAC address]) peruse FB, Twitter, etc. securing statements of information regarding when someone will be on vacation, not home, daily work schedule, pictures with really nice NC SQUAT CARS, etc. These ruffians are perusing opportunities for thievery;
(2) VIN numbers. Many avenues to secure dealership, owner information from state DMV offices/software, etc. when transfer of ownership occurs (title transfers, notaries, etc.) Much of this information is often garnered by the workers themselves employed by these organizations (much of this type crime occurs from within);
(3) License Plate. For the same reasons I mentioned in (2); yet, far, far easier since there exist a plethora of programs to trace License Plate numbers demonstrating owner's address.
So do you have to cover the license plate when the car is parked in front of your house? Note that the license number, state, VIN, and address are all visible. Heck, do you have to cover your house also?
I'll ask again, what exactly is the scam? All of this information is already publicly available without the picture on the interwebs. Sorry, but all you've posted are spooky "oooh, they can do this.." not actual scams.
And if the DMV workers are in on the scam, how does having the info in the interwebs make it more risky than the fact that the VIN is visible through the windshield when the car is parked? And don't even get me started on the license plates. Does someone have to run behind the car when you drive it holding their thumb out to block the plate?
So do you have to cover the license plate when the car is parked in front of your house? Note that the license number, state, VIN, and address are all visible. Heck, do you have to cover your house also?
I'll ask again, what exactly is the scam? All of this information is already publicly available without the picture on the interwebs. Sorry, but all you've posted are spooky "oooh, they can do this.." not actual scams.
And if the DMV workers are in on the scam, how does having the info in the interwebs make it more risky than the fact that the VIN is visible through the windshield when the car is parked? And don't even get me started on the license plates. Does someone have to run behind the car when you drive it holding their thumb out to block the plate?
I am now slowly backing off the lawn....slowly, very, very, slowly.
My hat's off to you for even taking this on. That's going to take some careful work to get it square again. Good luck.
Agreed! Good Luck! I recall a project like that way back in the day when I was in Auto Body Resto and Refinish at Vo-Tech school. We were students, of course, but we had a full-fledged body shop with all the then-current tools, K-J frame rack, welders, air and hand tools, and paint equipment etc. It took my team of five both semesters to get that one done at 20 hours per week. Quite a looker when we were done . Hopefully you will share pictures of the progress and finished product!
Wow!! Makes me cringe when I see pics like that! You definitely have a project there! Like Joe said, you could have a 442 since Lansing 442s had cutlass cowl tags. Does your actual vin begin with 344(442) or 336(Cutlass)?? It is a nice color combo. Your interior, while the upholstery pattern looks correct for a '69, that dark red color wasn't available in '69. That's more of a '68 color. 69's came in a bright red.
My hat's off to you for even taking this on. That's going to take some careful work to get it square again. Good luck.
THANK YOU!! I have a frame machine at my shop and I have a 1970 cutlass parts car I’m going to use the frame from that for it and then straighten my body out.. we are working on it right now
Wow!! Makes me cringe when I see pics like that! You definitely have a project there! Like Joe said, you could have a 442 since Lansing 442s had cutlass cowl tags. Does your actual vin begin with 344(442) or 336(Cutlass)?? It is a nice color combo. Your interior, while the upholstery pattern looks correct for a '69, that dark red color wasn't available in '69. That's more of a '68 color. 69's came in a bright red.
yes the number does begin with 344. Does that make it a real 442? I love the red color but joe says the car came with green interior. And when we pulled the Carpet out we can see the green over spray on the floor boards.
yes the number does begin with 344. Does that make it a real 442? I love the red color but joe says the car came with green interior. And when we pulled the Carpet out we can see the green over spray on the floor boards.
Yes, it's a real 442, and no, that hardtop frame won't work under a convertible. Convertible frames have extra reinforcement to make up for the stiffness lost when the roof is cut off.
The engine and trans each have a VIN derivative stamp. The first character of the VIN derivative will match the first character of the VIN, and the last eight of the VIN derivative will match the last eight of the VIN.
hello joe joe
I hope I’m not getting on your nerves with all these questions but it seems like you know what you’re talking about... I looked into the engine and a got a picture of the casting number and I found the cars last Vin number on the front of the engine is all I can see
Is there any other numbers I need to find on this engine
If the boxed sections are good they can be removed from the convertible frame and welded to the hardtop frame.
So I looked into it and yes you are right I will have to use the metal off my old frame and weld it on this frame I have and while I’m at it will just add some extra support just to be safe..
I need a driver door really bad if you can help me out with that please
hello joe joe
I hope I’m not getting on your nerves with all these questions but it seems like you know what you’re talking about... I looked into the engine and a got a picture of the casting number and I found the cars last Vin number on the front of the engine is all I can see
Is there any other numbers I need to find on this engine
Yeah, you noted that casting number in your first post, which is the correct block for that car. You need to find the stamped (as opposed to raised cast) VIN derivative number.
Yeah, you noted that casting number in your first post, which is the correct block for that car. You need to find the stamped (as opposed to raised cast) VIN derivative number.
ok I’ll get you a picture of it when I get back to the shop but from what I can see on the derivative vin the last 5 are the same as the last 5 of the cars vin number .
Here’s a picture of the number on the side of the transmission.. what do we kno joe joe?
Do these numbers and letters mean anything joe joe?
ok I’ll get you a picture of it when I get back to the shop but from what I can see on the derivative vin the last 5 are the same as the last 5 of the cars vin number .
Here’s a picture of the number on the side of the transmission.. what do we kno joe joe?
Do these numbers and letters mean anything joe joe?
I thought you said you had a Muncie? That trans is an automatic. 39M381038 is the VIN derivative.
3 = Oldsmobile
9 = 1969 model year
M = Lansing assembly plant
381038 is the sequence number from the car's VIN.
C heads are correct for a 1969 442. That stack of nuts spacing the PS pump bracket away from the head says that whoever put this together was a moron, however.
I thought you said you had a Muncie? That trans is an automatic. 39M381038 is the VIN derivative.
3 = Oldsmobile
9 = 1969 model year
M = Lansing assembly plant
381038 is the sequence number from the car's VIN.
C heads are correct for a 1969 442. That stack of nuts spacing the PS pump bracket away from the head says that whoever put this together was a moron, however.
what is a Muncie? I don’t even know what that is Joe Joe.
Hopefully you can find a shop willing to tackle it.
