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Old September 12th, 2010, 01:47 PM
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I was talking with a guy at the hardware store and he asked me if I knew about Buick putting Olds V8s in Regals. He said he bought from a dealer an 86 Regal that was supposed to have a V6 and had ran the car but didn't lift the hood until he got home and it has a V8 supposedly Olds motor. I assume a 307. He said he contacted the original owner as he's the second and she said she never had any engine swaps done. I know Olds had that flap with Chevy V8s but did they ever supply Buick with 8s?
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Old September 12th, 2010, 01:53 PM
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i seen an 80s Pontiac bonneville with an olds engine. it would not surprise me if Buick did also. i have no documentation so this can't be used as fact.
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Originally Posted by deaddds
I was talking with a guy at the hardware store and he asked me if I knew about Buick putting Olds V8s in Regals. He said he bought from a dealer an 86 Regal that was supposed to have a V6 and had ran the car but didn't lift the hood until he got home and it has a V8 supposedly Olds motor. I assume a 307. He said he contacted the original owner as he's the second and she said she never had any engine swaps done. I know Olds had that flap with Chevy V8s but did they ever supply Buick with 8s?
By the 1980s, GM was using engines interchangeably. This wasn't a "Buick" factory swap, it was how the cars were built. Just check the VIN, it will tell you what engine was originally installed. The 307 Olds was used in ALL GM car lines in the 1980s, in fact there are non-Turbo Buick T (not T-type) cars from the late 1980s that have the 307 Olds motor. My 1986 Chevy Caprice wagon has a factory installed Olds 307 (and a "Y" in the VIN to match). Not a big deal and very common.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 05:33 PM
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Yes thats TRUE....Gm installed different gm manufacturer's ( olds,buick,chevy & pontiac)engines, In all their Car lines. I had an old girlfriend who had a '79 Buick Reagal with a factory pontiac 301...Go Figure...
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Yes, it was like incest back then. I am not certain why Olds engines seem to win out.....Like why did they replace the venerable Pontiac 400 with the Olds 403 in 1979???
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So when was this practice "officially" started of different divisions applying drivetrains to others? Seems like a point of engineering division pride gets lost in the shuffle.
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Also, does this indicate that the last big custom cruisers had Chevy 350s since Olds had long stopped making there own, right?
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Old September 12th, 2010, 07:27 PM
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So when was this practice "officially" started of different divisions applying drivetrains to others? Seems like a point of engineering division pride gets lost in the shuffle.
"Officially"? At least as far back as the 1950s, when you could get a Pontiac or Olds engine in a GMC truck. The 1961 Pontiac Tempest could have been ordered with either a Pontiac sourced 195 cu in slant four (exactly half of a 389) or a Buick sourced aluminum 215. Of course, starting in 1964 the base engine in the F-85 was a Buick V6. By 1966 Olds was using the Chevy I6 as the base engine. In 1975 the Pontiac 400 was used in Olds Delta 88s. And let's not forget the 403 Olds powered Trans Ams of 1977-79, or the 350 Olds powered Cadillac Seville of 1976-79.

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Joe, I beg to differ the Olds 403 did not go into the Trans Am until after 78. I owned a 78 TA and it had the Pontiac 400. My girl friend at the time bought a 70 TA and got the 403 Olds in it.
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Originally Posted by coltsneckbob
Joe, I beg to differ the Olds 403 did not go into the Trans Am until after 78. I owned a 78 TA and it had the Pontiac 400. My girl friend at the time bought a 70 TA and got the 403 Olds in it.
Both engines were available at that time period, if it had "6.6 litre" on the hood scoop, it was on Olds 403, if it said "6.6 T/A" then it was the 400 Pontiac. If your girlfriends '70 T/A had a 403 in it, it was a transplant as the 403 did not exist yet and only Pontiac engines were available in them. Unless you meant 1980.
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A lot of Buick's in the 80's had Olds engines in them. All the RWD models, to the best of my knowledge, had the 307 as an option. I had an 85 Riv with a 307 as well.
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I did mean she bought a 1979 TA (hit the 0 by accident). She bought it (or I should say Daddy) new.

I will have to look at pictures I have of my TA. I can't remember what the hood scoop said. But, I do know it was a Pontiac 400.
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Originally Posted by coltsneckbob
Joe, I beg to differ the Olds 403 did not go into the Trans Am until after 78. I owned a 78 TA and it had the Pontiac 400. My girl friend at the time bought a 70 TA and got the 403 Olds in it.
The Olds 403 was used in Calif and high altitude cars for the 1977 model year and use expanded in 1978. All you have to do is check the VINs on these cars - the factory installed engine is listed there.

The following is from Wikipedia, which we all know is ALWAYS correct...

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In 1977, Pontiac offered the T/A 6.6 Litre 400 (RPO W72) rated at 200 hp (150 kW), as opposed to the regular 6.6 Litre 400 (RPO L78) rated at 180 hp (130 kW). In addition, California and high altitude cars received the Olds 403 engine, which offered a slightly higher compression ratio and a more usable torque band than the Pontiac engines of 1977.

Beginning in 1978, Pontiac engineers reversed years of declining power by raising the compression ratio in the Pontiac 400 through the installation of different cylinder heads with smaller combustion chambers (1977 pontiac 400 engines also had the 350 heads bolted to the 400 blocks, these heads were known as the 6x-4 heads)(taken from the Pontiac 350). This increased power by 10% for a total of 220 during the 1978-79 model years. The 400/403 options remained available until 1979, when the 400 CID engines were only available in the 4-speed transmission Trans Ams and Formulas (the engines had actually been stockpiled from 1978, when PMD had cut production of the engine).
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