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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:09 AM
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Engine miss with vacuum advance

69 400. Having an issue at 2-2500 rpm, engine starts to misfire. Runs nice and smooth with vacuum advance disconnected but once I connect it, it misses. Timing is advancing fine, will go up to 50 btdc or so. It’s just rough. Running pertronix now, but it did it with points and a different distributor. I’ve tried different coils plugs wires etc. but like I said it runs great with just mechanical advance, just doesn’t advance as far.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:17 AM
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Which Pertronix are you using? What is your mechanical timing set too, both total an initial? What you probably need to do is to limit the amount of vacuum advance the canister is providing to 10*.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
Which Pertronix are you using? What is your mechanical timing set too, both total an initial? What you probably need to do is to limit the amount of vacuum advance the canister is providing to 10*.
this is the lobe sensor type, mechanical is around 10* initial I’ll have to check how high it goes with just mechanical
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:43 AM
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If it matters, it’s getting vacuum from the front port of the quadrajet
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kevdog442
If it matters, it’s getting vacuum from the front port of the quadrajet
Depends on which Q-Jet carburetor you have and to which inlet the vacuum hose is connected. Above the throttle plates is ported vacuum, below the throttle plates is manifold vacuum. My preference is full manifold vacuum.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Vintage Chief
Depends on which Q-Jet carburetor you have and to which inlet the vacuum hose is connected. Above the throttle plates is ported vacuum, below the throttle plates is manifold vacuum. My preference is full manifold vacuum.
it’s ported, original 69 carb
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 08:38 AM
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Try manifold vacuum. What do you have to lose?
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 08:48 AM
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On my car 50* advance was too much. I had a misfire so I made a limiter strap out of a piece of hacksaw blade that covered about half the slot in the in the vacuum advance can. I ended up with 11* vacuum advance and no misfire.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BangScreech4-4-2
Try manifold vacuum. What do you have to lose?
Once you're out of the idle circuit there is no difference from manifold to ported vacuum.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 12:28 PM
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Put the advance on manifold vacuum. be prepared to have to reset the idle speed.

if it misfires only with advance functional, and it’s really going to 50 degrees, you most likely need to limit the amount of vacuum advance. You can easily fabricate a limited tab, crane cams use to provide one with their recurve kits

I bet if you limit the total timing to around 42-45 degrees it will run much better
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by matt69olds
Put the advance on manifold vacuum. be prepared to have to reset the idle speed.

if it misfires only with advance functional, and it’s really going to 50 degrees, you most likely need to limit the amount of vacuum advance. You can easily fabricate a limited tab, crane cams use to provide one with their recurve kits

I bet if you limit the total timing to around 42-45 degrees it will run much better
that’s my thinking. It’s a new engine, new cam…
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 04:42 PM
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This is the adjustable stop that I made for my 24 degree vacuum advance canister.


Old Aug 28, 2022 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Fun71
This is the adjustable stop that I made for my 24 degree vacuum advance canister.

I like that. I actually tried a different distributor that had less advance movement but still no better. May have to go adjustable. This cam is not that radical, didn’t expect these issues
Erson .477/ 290 dur. single pattern
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 06:49 PM
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My car had a part throttle misfire, which happened with timing over 45deg.
Limit your vac advance as I did & problem will go likely away.
Old Aug 28, 2022 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kevdog442
I like that. I actually tried a different distributor that had less advance movement but still no better. May have to go adjustable. This cam is not that radical, didn’t expect these issues
Erson .477/ 290 dur. single pattern

If you put the limiter on the other end of the canister arm, it will accomplish the same thing but also increase the amount of vacuum it takes to get the advance to begin to move. That’s sometimes an advantage of the canister provides a lot of advance, and with a weak spring.

You just need to remember to reset the timing. Putting the limiter on the other side will increase the initial timing because the starting point of the advance has moved.



Check this out.
Old Aug 29, 2022 | 03:26 AM
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Ok so it looks like I can fix this issue, but curious as to why this is happening. Is it the cam?
Old Aug 29, 2022 | 05:59 AM
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It could be, did you increase compression as well? The stock carb could be lean with the more aggressive new cam.
Old Aug 29, 2022 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by olds 307 and 403
It could be, did you increase compression as well? The stock carb could be lean with the more aggressive new cam.
yes newly built engine 10:1 pistons
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