jensenracing77

Sorry Scott, I beat you to this one. Not sure that is a good thing though

Picked this up tonight. I think it is a real SX but not sure how to tell. It has the original engine and trans and the transmission is the OD code. It is a very early build date. Not sure yet what i will do with it. The body is bad but from what i can tell so far the frame looks real good. I sure didn't get a very good deal on it.

2blu442

Pictures? Pictures?

ManCutty

saw this car a few weeks ago. Been trying to figure what it was worth. Scott and I were planning on going back in the next couple of days.

jensenracing77

oops, sorry. I hit the wrong button.

oldspackrat

Grrrrr

GAOldsman

If the 455 has the VIN derivative that matches the actual VIN, then you have a winner. W32 & Y79 (SX) was the only way to get the 455 in a 34257 (Cutlass Supreme) for 1970.

jensenracing77

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, All VINs match each other. Even the blue sticker on the door. It runs very good but I only had it running for about 5 minutes. What sucks about this is that the 4 core radiator was just recored a year ago (or so he said). I just had mine for my W-30 recored last week. This radiator does look new inside so i think it is true.

GAOldsman

Awesome brother you have a score Looks like she was rode hard and put up wet a time or three But she looks pretty solid.

kjr442

Power windows are nice to have.

sammy

Nice find...Scott must have been napping under a palm tree

Fun71

I like your front seat drum.

orange442

Nice find. A solid red no vinyl 70 Cutlass SX would be a pretty car, have not seen very many factory solid red Cutlass Supremes so probably was/is a relatively rare car.

wmachine

Not true. The L33 was otherwise available.

GAOldsman

The L33 is the same engine as the SX (Y79) which is the 320 (rated) HP 455 as the W32 option got you the more powerful 365 (rated) HP 455.

GAOldsman

The L33 got you the 2 bbl and the W32 got you the 4 bbl

wmachine

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. Later in the model year the L33 was not used in the SX, it changed to the L31 which was also a 4-bbl, too.

But the BL is that the 455 was available in the Cutlass Supreme without the SX package.

Rocketbrian

Actually there were three versions of the 455 in 1970. Early in the model year there was the L33 455 2-bbl, rated at 320 horsepower. This was available with the SX option and without. It was also available in other Cutlass models early in the model year. Per the Bulletin dated 2-24-70, the 455 2 bbl was dropped in all Cutlasses and was replaced by 4bbl versions, L31 and W32. Both were rated at 365 horsepower, and only available on the Supreme hardtop and convertible in option Y79, known as the SX. The W32 was an exact 442 drivetrain which included the OG transmission rather than the regular OD version. The L31 engine used rear axle ratios 2.56, 2.78 and 3.08, while the W32 used 3.08, 3.23 and 3.42. The Vista Cruiser was available with the 455 2 and 4 bbl throughout the year. Other than a W30, a W32 Cutlass Supreme would be the top Cutlass in 1970 as it had both luxury and 442 power. There are some who much prefer the Supreme as it has the nice kick up quarter panel design, more trim and fancier upholstery. But as we all know, the numbers 442 bring more money.

pcard

Only way to confirm an SX is with the buildsheet. Being from Linden it probably left the line with one hidden somewhere. If the seats are original look there first, you know the drill. Chances are it is - who would have bothered putting the emblems on a L33 equipped car; even today the SX branding does not command such a premium.

GAOldsman

I guess I read it wrong, but for the life of me I cannot see someone buying the L33 and not have the SX package. So basically the SX package consisted of the SX badging, cutout bumper, exhaust trumpets and the L33 engine in the beginning of '70 and the L33 alone gave you dual exhaust sans the bumper and trumpets? Thanks for the clarification Rocketbrian

pcard

Maybe they would not want the trumpet exhausts. Here is the famous memo.

oldsmobiledave

My first car was an L-33 equipped Cutlass Supreme. I sold t with a 4bbl intake & carb from a 1970 442 & the rear notched bumper from the same car. Guess how long it took the new owner to apply SX badges & those parts?

jensenracing77

When did they start and end building the 1970 model cars? Would this be week 2 September 69 or 70?

pcard

I guess if you want to swing you have to have the bling.

GAOldsman

This is according o the tag you posted a Sept '69 build. They began in August of '69 and ran through July of '70 with the 1970 year model run.

wmachine

"And now for the rest of the story......"

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jensenracing77

As it turns out, this was not one of my finer purchases. Still up in the air what i will do with it. It needs brake work but it does run and drive. The body is shot top to bottom and front to back. I really need the power window setup out of it if all the regulators and parts would work in a hardtop? I hate to part a complete VIN matching SX but I don't see anyone ever wanting to restore this car. If I sold it I would need to get $2800 for it and I just don't see that for this car.

2blu442

That yellow wheel looks like it could be a 15X7 bolt on center cap. Is there a pair, set or just the single?

billmerbach

That body I would love to have but I'm broke and no way of getting it down here I could take the frame off my omega and switch em the. Work on getting a title for the omega

anthonyP

You beat me to the question - I was thinking the same thing.

MDchanic

That would be a lot of work, Bill, especially since the X- and A-bodies are different sizes, with different wheelbases, and the X-body doesn't have a frame, just a front subframe carrying the engine and suspension.

Just telling you in case you're getting ideas.

- Eric

anthonyP

Interesting - The SX Conversion brochure notes the exhaust system as having "straight-through mufflers, resonators, tailpipes".

jensenracing77

It is a 14X7. It was in the bed of my truck when I picked the car up and had to move stuff from my bed to the car to fit an engine in the bed. It was painted as an extra for my Rallye 350 back in 99.

sammy

Did you get a closer look at the frame?

jensenracing77

I did look at it. I am pleased with it. There is some pitting in places as always but not bad.

billmerbach

I was but my bubbles bursted now lol

507OLDS

It's a parts car. Get out the air tools & sawsall. She is dying a slow death.

anthonyP

It is strange how rims sometimes look larger or smaller, either taller or wider, when not mounted on a car.

oldsmobilty

I also went and looked at the car last week with all intentions of buying it. In my opinion it's a parts car. Especially knowing the quality of work and standard you prefer on your cars.

jensenracing77

That has mostly been my thought all along but it hurts to part out a car that survived this long with it's original engine and trans.

Dave Siltman

If you knock it apart, how much for the rad.?