Have a look, how many 'errors' can you find, besides the asking price? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ws/eBayISAPI....ht_1724wt_1257

 

Is that Elliot's old car? Or did his have black stripes?

 

Sorry Diego, no idea. It was in my web search emails.

 

i thought w30's did not come with power brakes, the stripes look wrong too on the hood they are too square, i think those wheels where not offered in 71, and the rear quarter has some weird bubbles, i think the headlight bezels are wrong too. the junction go on the fender ? im no olds buff just seeing if i made the right calls lol.

 

Power brakes and A/C were factory available with the W-30 starting with the 1970 model year. As I've noted previously, the dirty little secret is that these cars did NOT get the radical W-30 cam, which is how they were able to generate enough vacuum. How they still made the same amount of HP is a mystery of the marketing department.

 

Elliot's car sold at Russo a number of years ago. It's probably this one, which has black stripes:

http://www.russoandsteele.com/collec...442--W-30/6249

I don't believe the car on eBay is 1 of 10 with AC - they made that up. Come to think of it, I think they've had the car for quite awhile because that claim seems like deja vu.

 

Hey Copper,
The wheels are SS1's but they should have trim rings - not chrome so you get 1 point for that.
Headlight bezels are correct - they were painted black in 72, not 71.
Fender gaps are ok (considering) but I was really surprised the rear quarter shows drips and wasn't cleaned for the photo - especially if it's going to be a 6 figure car.
Power disc front brakes (JL2) were required if the W30 package was changed to include M40 trans. However the brake booster should be cad plated and have the Delco Moraine stamping.
I think the hood stripes, body and trunk stripes look ok myself.

 

Dual gate, instead standard auto console shift.

Pat

 

Dual-Gate was optional.

 

I doesn't look like dirt on the quarter to me, it looks like chips where someone was burning out and kicked rocks up on the paint. And I agree those are some weird bubbles.

 

I think its a pretty nice looking car actually - not sure it (or any car like it) is worth 175k though. just nutty pricing out there. I doubt only 10 of the 110 convertibles had AC. Many, many 442 convertibles I have seen have AC including the W30s. Oldsmobiles tended to have more options and as Joe mentioned by 1970 the auto trans W30 was really no different than an auto trans 442.

There are definitely some little things wrong like the color of the booster and the jack etc. But it does have shoulder belts for the front occupants, that's a rare option if they were original.

 

The claimed W-27 differential option should consist of more then just the cover........

 

Ah ha! Glad to see you caught that too. W27 carrier/cover was only 1970. The W27 option for 71 was only the cover which is no 'crowning jewel' IMO.

 

The spacing and placement of the trunk numerals is simply awful.

 

Yup, prolly so. So tell me you'd pay that kind of $$$ for a rock blasted quarter?? I think those bubbles are CC that dripped. There are too many pics showing a lack of attention to detail for that price.

 

The windshield washer fluid bottle is on the wrong side under the hood.

 

DING DING DING!!! That's an automatic -5k deduction from asking price......***!

That's how it PROVES it's pedigree. Of turdliness. Speaks of documents, but are no where in the ad.

I want to see, VIN, BUILD SHEET, heads Rear, and intake........ in that order. Everything else I can go buy from a 3k **** box.

 

Good eye Joe! The other numerals and W30 emblem look ok though.

Actually it's in the right place for a 455 without Y72 HD cooling. It would be on the DS if it was a 350 or a 455 with Y72 cooling.

 

The SS1 all chrome 7" were an option in 71.

 

Apologies! I just couldn't deduce that from the info in the dealers guide about P05. Glad to have your first hand knowledge, thank you

add: I just looked up the P05 option for 1972 and it's the same as what you describe with chromed parts. Where do I find the part about 7" though?

 

With my limited knowledge.....fender braces?

 

I have a set of all chrome SS1 wheels on my 70 SX that came off an original 71 SX. they are 14x7. I believe there was a set of all chrome SS1 wheels offered in 69? but are 6 inch. might be wrong on that though.

 

Ted, too hard to tell since they would be bolted to the backside of one of the spring bolts. BUT, if you meant "I don't see the lower air dam reinforcement that should be on there" you'd be right! It was only used in 1971 on the 4400 (442) cars.

 

It's a convertible

 

Both my 70 cars have the air dam

 

You mean the reinforcement piece (part 410410)? I'd still love to have detailed pics and measurements of one of those. Might even be able to fabricate one of my own from the info. You game to take one off and do the honors?

 

So, converts did not come with fender bracing, and would you not see the nut from the bracing protruding from the hole in front of the hood hinge? I thought all bb came with the bracing

Ted

 

Ted, I found that confusing too since the brace is listed for ALL 4400 cars.

 

As if a flimsy tubular fender brace was going to keep a convertible chassis with a 455 from flopping around

 

Mine convertible did not come with them but I put them in anyway, it now handles almost as good as a Porsche