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We've discussed this car, but can't find the thread.

 

 

Here is an old thread on it: https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...-hurst-124415/

 

Since someone has taken the trouble to remind us all about this abortion, I'll take this opportunity to point out what is wrong with the aftermarket O.A.I. hoods for later year cars. The scoops don't even come close to lining up with the grilles, and the leading edges of the scoops don't line up with any other line on the car. The factory-designed 70-72 hoods were styled to actually work with the lines of the car.

 

I posted this knowing that it wasn't real. I just asked for some background. Forgive me for asking. The butt hurt here amazes me so often. I asked a simple question.

 

It was never used but I do like the hood (although it is not actually on the hood) ornament. I wish they had used that on the 75 Hurst Olds.

 

I don't hate the car. I pulled my pictures because of the hate on me for posting it. I asked a simple question about if there was any validity to it. I got fried. Hate it or not. I just wanted to know any history on it. Custom or not. I appreciate a custom car like this over the fake bullshi# that gets defended and supported.
Personally I think it is a cool custom. Scoops could have been lined up a little better but I still don't hate it. Sure beats a hundred thousand dollar air condition fake W-31. At least this builder admitted what it is. I guess going to Volo for fake cars is acceptable.

I had no idea how butt hurt people were over this car.
Ask a simple question? Get shredded. 👍

 

From this post, it sounds YOU are Butt HURT again.

 

Kinda like I wished I'd have bought every Hurst hood ornament I saw on those hang cards at the auto parts stores for dirt cheap back then. There was a time not long ago where people were asking, and getting, pretty hefty prices for those and they weren't even a part of the H/O package. There's one on the card on ebay right now asking $439!!! I agree, though, they're still pretty cool.

 

Don’t be so easily offended, put your big boy pants on!

 

Personally other than the hood scoops being too wide I don't mind the car. The red and black looks good.

 

As in your own? Look, those of us who have been here for a while sometimes get tired of answering the same questions over and over, especially when someone thinks he's "discovered" something for the first time. The 1954 F88 posts, for example, or the hideous customized silver 70 Cutlass Supreme convertible that gets posted about every 18 months.

 

I had not seen the car before.

 

So FYI, since you already knew the car was fake, you might have wanted to lead with that. Also, with today's interwebs, assume you are not the first one to find something like this and assume others have seen it before. Again, starting out with something like "for those who may not have seen this before..." makes it less likely to be crapped on.

 

Guys like me who own bonafide Indy Pace Car replicas and who follow them tend to get red around the gills when something like this shows up.

This one is especially galling to me. Why you may ask? Because I've had ignorants tell me this was the actual 1977 Pace Car that had been in hiding all these years, they only built one, all the Delta PCRs are fake because full size cars couldn't be pace cars, Oldsmobile saved a 455 to put in it, the hood was special made just for this car, and on and on. When one of them told me I didn't know what I was talking about I opened both barrels on him and shut him down.

That's why this car gets so much hate. Not only is it a blatant fake, it's poorly executed. It's some big car hating *******'s fantasy of what Oldsmobile should have done with the 1977 Pace Car program.

 

To Glenn's point, I have no problem if someone want's to build a phantom "what if" car. I'd had my own fantasies of building a one-of-none from time to time. The problem is when these cars get a fabricated backstory that then gets pasted all over the interwebs and starts to get taken as gospel by the uninformed. This is the same reason why I get worked up about incorrect W36 stripes, people who think 442s came standard with O.A.I. hoods and wings, and the whole litany of Faux-Four-Twos that are out there. The guy who built this car was completely above boards about it, but that story didn't make it to the dealership ad where they were asking $40K for it.

 

Out of all of the one offs, this one has to be the best one out there. It is for me anyway.

 

The problem I have with this 70 and the 69 H/O pickup are that I don't understand why they used the coupe trunklid and back bumper. Real ElCaminos used wagon-based quarters and tailgate, which to me looks a lot better (not to mention actually functional).

 

 

Oh Gawd.... the money spent on that thing and people still can't get the striping correct....

 

Ha Ha Ha. No kidding. So many cars have mad money and time in them. Then they drop the ball on the goal line. How do you not get stripes right???

 

Yep, there is good info and resources out there, sometimes you just have to work for it and do your own detective work. Don't assume a restoration 'expert' has it right and all you have to do is write the checks... Sort of like Joe mentioned also... there are plenty of less than correct examples out there that someone will take as gospel... car goes thru an auction at $100k, hey... that must be correct, someone paid 100 grand for it, must be good to use as an example.

 

I've made some "customizers" angry with a statement like this before. It is not enough to know how to weld and paint. That doesn't make you a custom guy. You have to have an eye for design. They get angry, and say, "Well, where's your custom? I can paint and weld, can you?" They don't understand that a guy with an eye for design can learn to weld and paint, but a guy with no taste will never be any good at custom car work because taste in design is something you either have or you don't.

 

Amen, Koda!

 

Gene Winfield the last of the great customizers is retiring at age 96.

 

Amen Koda and Joe. The scoops on the hood are so lame. Like Joe said and brought up. One of the coolest things about the Oldsmobile engineers is they did thing's right. The scoops lined up perfectly on a 70-72 A body. The scoops on this car just don't.

My original point for this post was asking who knew what about the build. I should have been more specific. I get building a car to what you want. I like the black and red. I just wanted to know the back story on the car. The fact that idiot's that don't know what's real and overpay? You are clueless.

In the nineties out here in Denver there was a guy named Wayne that built a black 69 "Hurst Olds" . Obviously not real. I never met one person locally that thought it was real. Fools these days have no clue.

In my opinion I appreciate an honest custom build over someone some dealer trying to bullshi* about a fake car anyday.

 

1969Hurst amen. Auction cars are so sketchy. I would not and will Never invest big money in a car without before pictures history etc. Never. Auction cars nine times out of ten are sold to a checkbook that just wants to say look what I have. I have seen personally so many times auction cars get bought and they are junk with a pretty paint job.

 

I guess if you're working with what you got, the scoops could flow better on that car. I think if they were squared off more, and some concessions made to the hood lines, it could have been better. I think the W-25 look doesn't flow worth a flip on the mid-70s cars.

There's a guy in Alberta Canada working on a 1980 Cutlass Calais project called "The Juggernaut" that's Olds powered. MF is mad genius on making sheet metal bend to his will. He's currently making Cutlass front fenders with Malibu wheel well flares grafted in for clearance on the tires, and all the while making them look like GM stamped them. Former paint/body guy doing a DIY on it all in his spare time after work and on weekends. Yeah, he can weld, work metal, and paint, too. (Note the cowl scoop on the hood, - yep, he made that from steel too and welded it together and matched the lines to the header panel.). That's how you make body mods flow.

Sampling:


Obviously not finished, but just wow.

 

I want to make a 67 Olds El Machete (name I coined for an Olds El Camino.) I don't want to do one the way it has been done with El Camino doors. I'd like to, if possible, use 4 door hardtop doors, 2 door hardtop quarter windows and rear window, but have them be lined up with the 4 door B pillar line, not the 2 door (so about 2 feet forward). Use a flat top wagon's quarters, bumper, and tailgate, and a four door frame. Normal front end. Only El Camino parts I think I would need is the bed's pan, sides, and front. There would be a lot of body line issues to address where the junctions were.

 

See now we are all talking. I pulled my post because it was old news to people. Bummed me out.

I have said it a million times. I will take a custom with some one telling you that it is custom over some A Hole trying to sell something that was never what you built it as. I cannot stand the fools FOOLS that defend fake cars. See Volo etc...