container find..saved 1985 442
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Chill Pill
What makes you an expert on whether or not I need to calm down? Where in my above post did I indicate that your post excited me in any way?
You suggested re-using a 307 & I questioned the value of that when other superior engines would bolt right in.
Looks to me & to all others reading this that YOU need the chill pill not me. Take some time to think before you jump on posts Newbie.
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Go with the 72 350 Olds
The 72 350 Olds would be the best choice. Those cars would have been perfect back in the day had GM continued the 5.7 instead of dropping down to 5.0.
No mod bolt in. Not sure if your doing and performance updates along with it but the original 2004r would be nice behind it. Pretty sure that car came the bigger 8.5" rear like a GN so it is ready for much more power than it came with.
No mod bolt in. Not sure if your doing and performance updates along with it but the original 2004r would be nice behind it. Pretty sure that car came the bigger 8.5" rear like a GN so it is ready for much more power than it came with.
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OK here is another point of view.
First off what makes the original motor and trans useless??????????
For the sake of argument here lets say the motor/trans can be rebuilt with no money restrictions OK?
The positive is you still have an original motor car
If you put in a 350/403/455 the car will be, dare i say, useless if you try to sell it. By this i mean you need to find a buyer that likes your mods. You can sell an original numbers 442 all day long.
In fact id be willing to say the car is worth more as it stands, not running than if you put a 350/etc into it.
Just look at all the 80's engine swap 442 cars on line for sale, and there are many. They seem to never sell. yet the oem cars do sell.
This also is the trend with Monte SS'S of the same era.
If you want to sell it as is original. I would be a buyer. Shoot me an email. With an engine swap, not interested.
With old collector cars of any era factory oem rules. That is a fact!
I realize these cars have limited value to begin with but moded out you have limited your audience.
Now if this is your lifes dream and intend to keep it forever than all above disregard. My bet is you will sell it some day
Good luck cool car/find
First off what makes the original motor and trans useless??????????
For the sake of argument here lets say the motor/trans can be rebuilt with no money restrictions OK?
The positive is you still have an original motor car
If you put in a 350/403/455 the car will be, dare i say, useless if you try to sell it. By this i mean you need to find a buyer that likes your mods. You can sell an original numbers 442 all day long.
In fact id be willing to say the car is worth more as it stands, not running than if you put a 350/etc into it.
Just look at all the 80's engine swap 442 cars on line for sale, and there are many. They seem to never sell. yet the oem cars do sell.
This also is the trend with Monte SS'S of the same era.
If you want to sell it as is original. I would be a buyer. Shoot me an email. With an engine swap, not interested.
With old collector cars of any era factory oem rules. That is a fact!
I realize these cars have limited value to begin with but moded out you have limited your audience.
Now if this is your lifes dream and intend to keep it forever than all above disregard. My bet is you will sell it some day
Good luck cool car/find
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From: Port Coquitlam BC
OK here is another point of view.
First off what makes the original motor and trans useless??????????
For the sake of argument here lets say the motor/trans can be rebuilt with no money restrictions OK?
The positive is you still have an original motor car
If you put in a 350/403/455 the car will be, dare i say, useless if you try to sell it. By this i mean you need to find a buyer that likes your mods. You can sell an original numbers 442 all day long.
In fact id be willing to say the car is worth more as it stands, not running than if you put a 350/etc into it.
Just look at all the 80's engine swap 442 cars on line for sale, and there are many. They seem to never sell. yet the oem cars do sell.
This also is the trend with Monte SS'S of the same era.
If you want to sell it as is original. I would be a buyer. Shoot me an email. With an engine swap, not interested.
With old collector cars of any era factory oem rules. That is a fact!
I realize these cars have limited value to begin with but moded out you have limited your audience.
Now if this is your lifes dream and intend to keep it forever than all above disregard. My bet is you will sell it some day
Good luck cool car/find
First off what makes the original motor and trans useless??????????
For the sake of argument here lets say the motor/trans can be rebuilt with no money restrictions OK?
The positive is you still have an original motor car
If you put in a 350/403/455 the car will be, dare i say, useless if you try to sell it. By this i mean you need to find a buyer that likes your mods. You can sell an original numbers 442 all day long.
In fact id be willing to say the car is worth more as it stands, not running than if you put a 350/etc into it.
Just look at all the 80's engine swap 442 cars on line for sale, and there are many. They seem to never sell. yet the oem cars do sell.
This also is the trend with Monte SS'S of the same era.
If you want to sell it as is original. I would be a buyer. Shoot me an email. With an engine swap, not interested.
With old collector cars of any era factory oem rules. That is a fact!
I realize these cars have limited value to begin with but moded out you have limited your audience.
Now if this is your lifes dream and intend to keep it forever than all above disregard. My bet is you will sell it some day
Good luck cool car/find
I used to be indecisive - now I'm not so sure....
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Some awesome advice here...appreciate it
So, here I am sitting in my shop, flanked by two motors....the original engine and tranny, and a 72 350/350. I may be jumping the gun on the 307HO , for I have not even put a wrench into it...the 350 runs, and is a goodcandidate for a overhaul/freshen...I would have to put a lot of time and money into the 307.....ummmmmm
, 68442, you have a pm
Ted
So, here I am sitting in my shop, flanked by two motors....the original engine and tranny, and a 72 350/350. I may be jumping the gun on the 307HO , for I have not even put a wrench into it...the 350 runs, and is a goodcandidate for a overhaul/freshen...I would have to put a lot of time and money into the 307.....ummmmmm
, 68442, you have a pmTed
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If you already have the 307 and trans out, why not take it apart and see what's needed and whether it's rebuild able or absolutely wasted or maybe only needs minor stuff? Then go from there. If the 307 combo needs lots of $ to get going and you cant swing it now, then store it away properly so it doesn't get worse and use the 72 350. You can enjoy it and still have the original engine to go back to or sell with it if you decide to sell it later.
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If you already have the 307 and trans out, why not take it apart and see what's needed and whether it's rebuild able or absolutely wasted or maybe only needs minor stuff? Then go from there. If the 307 combo needs lots of $ to get going and you cant swing it now, then store it away properly so it doesn't get worse and use the 72 350. You can enjoy it and still have the original engine to go back to or sell with it if you decide to sell it later.
Ted
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just an update.
the 307 needs a ton of work....so it will be a long term project.
I opened up the 73 350(I thought it was a 72) and it looks good.
New intake, cam, oil pump and screen and some flat tops will be going in. It is amazing how good the timing gear and chain top and bottom end in this engine are.....kinda of a fun engine build....
the 307 needs a ton of work....so it will be a long term project.
I opened up the 73 350(I thought it was a 72) and it looks good.
New intake, cam, oil pump and screen and some flat tops will be going in. It is amazing how good the timing gear and chain top and bottom end in this engine are.....kinda of a fun engine build....
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Thanks guys....I am building the 350 with my son....it will be his first
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Ya, great lesson on how NOT to store a car....
Steve, I will post pics of the 307 when I open it up.....some crusty monsters may tumble out .....
Ted
.Ya, great lesson on how NOT to store a car....
Steve, I will post pics of the 307 when I open it up.....some crusty monsters may tumble out .....
Ted
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Just an update....I found a 307 out of a 83 HO that is in good condition.The seller is doing a LS swap.... The Olds 350 will be built and I may put it into the 70 convertible.. or something else....another Olds maybe!?
Ted
!?Ted
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Just an update. Here is the Redone 350 Olds that was in my 1972 Cutlass that I have put in the car. Headers, rebuilt 350 trans . The 307...both the original and replacement with tranny are stored away. Gettin there.
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Update...
Motor is in ....waterpump on...just waiting on a pulley.
New rad and fuel tank arrived today.
ECM and all associated wiring with AC unit removed and stored away. The engine compartment is starting to look more old school
Delete plate made and painted
I am hoping to put a tranny support brace from a 70 convertable in to accommodate the dual exhaust.
Coming along
New rad and fuel tank arrived today.
ECM and all associated wiring with AC unit removed and stored away. The engine compartment is starting to look more old school
Delete plate made and painted
I am hoping to put a tranny support brace from a 70 convertable in to accommodate the dual exhaust.
Coming along
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Gas tank, driveshaft, tranny support installed! I think it is cool that the 70 trans support cross member fit into this car....
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3.73 O type .....ring gear etc look great....
Ring gear numbers...16M. 3988518. 11. 41. 12. 84
Axle code. TGF. 355..........cannot find TGF code meaning. G is General Motors, 35 is day and 5 is shift. I think
Ring gear numbers...16M. 3988518. 11. 41. 12. 84
Axle code. TGF. 355..........cannot find TGF code meaning. G is General Motors, 35 is day and 5 is shift. I think
Last edited by sammy; Jan 9, 2016 at 09:28 AM.
