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"The man consigned a 1976 Chevy Chevelle and a 1966 Chevy Nova to Bay City Motor Company, both pretty desirable cars."... "The asking price for both cars totaled $238,000"
Thinking this must be a typo and the Chevelle was a 70. Even if the nova was a concourse restored L79 4 speed, I don't see the total adding up to 238K with a 76 Malibu
Dean Kruse had run a respected classic car auction house for decades (my dad had even sold his 54 Cadillac convertible at the Kruse Hershey auction in 2004 or 2005), so that was a natural choice for my brother and I to sell a 71 cutlass we had just finished restoring (working on it part time we had about 3 years in it). However, it turns out a few auctions before his final auction in PA (held in Lebanon instead of Hershey) he had been keeping all sales money and not paying buyers. Unfortunately, we did not find this out until it was too late. It took 2-3 years and the Lebanon DA threatening to throw him in jail before we finally got the money from the sale. The part that really sucked is that he was still entitled to his 10% commission which I feel he should have forfeited. Here is the car almost finished. It was originally a 350 4 barrel bucket seat 4 speed cutlass S.
Last edited by Loaded68W34; Sep 15, 2021 at 01:13 PM.
You did. Thanks Eric. I just noticed you still have the "other" before your name. I think you should take that off since the original Eric has not been active on here for several years. After all, you are the man.
Sorry, I couldn't tell that you had made a point behind that absolutely *** webpage you linked. Wouldn't even load the main article link. Seriously, who reads yahoo anymore; do you have an AOL email address?
FYI, there were several million dollars in unpaid classic car sales over the course of several classic car auctions throughout the US at that point from Kruse (buyers paid for cars and received titles, he kept ALL of the money). Did all of those sellers deserve to get ripped off as well? As twilightblue28A stated you completely missed the point. I will go one step further by saying you are a stuck up jerk if you think my brother and I deserved to lose $20,000 (final sale price not profit) on a car that we had just completed a frame off restoration on. A car which by the way was rusting into the ground when my brother and I got it. Every car I have ever owned has started out as I rough to very rough project and I have built every one of them from the ground up: body, paint, interior, mechanical, everything. My work is not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than most. I love it when people talk about cars they have restored or how hard it was to restore their car and it turns out they either bought it almost the way it sits, or they paid a shop to do everything. In a thread about patina earlier today you stated "I don't like working just as hard to paint clear over rust as some sort of artwork as you could to just fix it and paint it." I hate to break it to you but it takes hundreds of hours in body work alone to get a quality finished paint job. Hell, I have more hours color sanding and buffing after a car is painted than it takes to put a nice satin clear over a well patinaed car start to finish. Many of my builds have been clones over the years because they are what I could afford as a starting price on a project. I started building cars when I was 14 with my first 66 chevelle that I drove all through high school surprise surprise... it was a clone. I love to see a rare original low production car. it is the reason I kept and restored my W34 toro (a car I probably would not have held on to otherwise) but I also don't mind seeing a nicely restored clone if it is done well. No deception was made in the sale of the orange cutlass, and it was not a car we were asking real W30 money for. It was a very nice car someone could afford who was getting into the hobby a point I think you fail to grasp. Hell, we even made a big poster for the car listing all the details of the build with "71 Cutlass 442 W30 Clone" at the top in big letters. Sorry for the rant but if you could not tell, I was more than slightly annoyed by the post.
Last edited by Loaded68W34; Sep 15, 2021 at 05:55 PM.
FYI, there were several million dollars in unpaid classic car sales over the course of several classic car auctions throughout the US at that point from Kruse (buyers paid for cars and received titles, he kept ALL of the money). Did all of those sellers deserve to get ripped off as well? As twilightblue28A stated you completely missed the point. I will go one step further by saying you are a stuck up jerk if you think my brother and I deserved to lose $20,000 (final sale price not profit) on a car that we had just completed a frame off restoration on. A car which by the way was rusting into the ground when my brother and I got it. Every car I have ever owned has started out as I rough to very rough project and I have built every one of them from the ground up: body, paint, interior, mechanical, everything. My work is not perfect but it is a hell of a lot better than most. I love it when people talk about cars they have restored or how hard it was to restore their car and it turns out they either bought it almost the way it sits, or they paid a shop to do everything. In a thread about patina earlier today you stated "I don't like working just as hard to paint clear over rust as some sort of artwork as you could to just fix it and paint it." I hate to break it to you but it takes hundreds of hours in body work alone to get a quality finished paint job. Hell, I have more hours color sanding and buffing after a car is painted than it takes to put a nice satin clear over a well patinaed car start to finish. Many of my builds have been clones over the years because they are what I could afford as a starting price on a project. I started building cars when I was 14 with my first 66 chevelle that I drove all through high school surprise surprise... it was a clone. I love to see a rare original low production car. it is the reason I kept and restored my W34 toro (a car I probably would not have held on to otherwise) but I also don't mind seeing a nicely restored clone if it is done well. No deception was made in the sale of the orange cutlass, and it was not a car we were asking real W30 money for. It was a very nice car someone could afford who was getting into the hobby a point I think you fail to grasp. Hell, we even made a big poster for the car listing all the details of the build with "71 Cutlass 442 W30 Clone" at the top in big letters. Sorry for the rant but if you could not tell, I was more than slightly annoyed by the post.
Nice rant. No, I don't think you should be defrauded for your work, however, when you say you are selling a 71 Cutlass S, and make it a clone, even when you are honest about it, you are hurting the hobby as it is inevitable it will be sold as real down the line. I see your point, but you won't be getting an apology from me as you're being pretty damn rude yourself. I'll excuse it as you are angry.
Originally Posted by Twilightblue28a
Again, you completely miss the point.
Considering the amount of long-time members you annoy; I don't think you're exactly qualified to have an opinion on what I get and miss, bub.
You never made a point in the first place. You linked a news article, which reported information, through an antiquated website reposting the original article, and all of this without comment. I read the article, I grasp the information; do you want to actually make a point, like "crooks get what's coming to them?" or are you just going to shake and ****?
You never made a point in the first place. You linked a news article, which reported information, through an antiquated website reposting the original article, and all of this without comment. I read the article, I grasp the information; do you want to actually make a point, like "crooks get what's coming to them?" or are you just going to shake and ****?
