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Old Oct 25, 2015 | 05:04 PM
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Bill Hirsch Engine Paint

I know it's difficult to get the real color of paint through photos but take a look and let me know if you think this GM metalic blue paint is correct. I think it has a weird greenish tint. I know many members have used and suggested this paint so I'm wondering if somehow I got a bad batch. Doesn't seem likely since it was three separate rattle cans.

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Old Oct 25, 2015 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cincinnati Rick
I know it's difficult to get the real color of paint through photos but take a look and let me know if you think this GM metalic blue paint is correct. I think it has a weird greenish tint. I know many members have used and suggested this paint so I'm wondering if somehow I got a bad batch. Doesn't seem likely since it was three separate rattle cans.

Rick
can't speak for the color being correct but I did see the can has a batch number on it. Do the other cans you used have the same batch # ?
Old Oct 25, 2015 | 05:24 PM
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Good point...I'll check tomorrow
Old Oct 25, 2015 | 09:50 PM
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I spoke with them recently and they claim they have a "master" paint card or sample that they periodically check batches of paint against. The reason for talking with them was I was getting ready to spray some Buick Engine Red paint on a '70 Buick motor and had recommended their Buick engine paint to a customer/friend up in the Dallas area.

He had sent me pics of the Buick paint he got from Hirsch and said it appeared very pinkish toned. I sprayed out some of the quart can I had received from them and it was really red (the way I wanted it to look). So I called and talked with them and they gave me the info about them making periodic checks of the paints. Funny thing, however, was the batch number on my can and the can the guy in Dallas got were the same so who knows why the big variation.

In your pics, yes....it doesn't look BLUE enough. BUT, after Costpenn's posting of pics of this '70 W30 (Astro Blue) on his build thread earlier this year showing a final paint color that appeared to be ANYTHING BUT Astro Blue, you never know what the "real"/in-person color is going to look like from just seeing digital pics posted from a digital camera, on the Internet and on your own computer screen. Costpenn's car, in real life, LOOKS LIKE Astro Blue....nothing like the first photos he shot and posted of it in the paint booth.

With that said, each one of these vendors seems to have their own version or interpretation of Olds Engine Blue paints. I've compared cans from quite a few of them and they all seemed to be different. Some "greenish", some VERY dark, some too light, etc IMO.

If you are seeing A LOT of green in the color in real life then it's probably too green but you'll likely have a hard time convincing the folks at Hirsch that it's not "correct". May be worth the call but they'll probably say "we check it against our master paint chip/card". None of that matters if the "master paint chip/card" is the wrong color to start with.


Take a pic or two of it out in the sunlight if those pics are in flourescent or some other non-natural light. In your pics, parts of the motor farther from the camera look more blue than parts closer (ie valve covers VS. water pump, lower block area, etc).

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Old Oct 26, 2015 | 03:31 AM
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This is Bill Hirsch also. Was it humid the day you sprayed it? I sprayed a bracket on a humid day and it looked nothing like the engine.
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Old Oct 26, 2015 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jensenracing77
This is Bill Hirsch also. Was it humid the day you sprayed it? I sprayed a bracket on a humid day and it looked nothing like the engine.
Eric,
It was raining Saturday but not actually humid. We sprayed it in a climate controlled booth so I don't think that's the problem.


[QUOTE=Take a pic or two of it out in the sunlight if those pics are in flourescent or some other non-natural light. In your pics, parts of the motor farther from the camera look more blue than parts closer (ie valve covers VS. water pump, lower block area, etc).[/QUOTE]

Patton,
I agree with you that the color looks different on different parts of the motor. The pictures were taken with the lights off and the sun shining through the windows. Under fluorescent lighting it really looks green. I saw Joe and Eric's cars at the nationals and this color definitely does not look like theirs.

Thanks guys for the interest and sharing your thoughts. I'll let you know what we come up with.

Rick
Old Oct 26, 2015 | 05:12 AM
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Here are the before and after pics in the booth.

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Old Oct 26, 2015 | 02:38 PM
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Supercars engine paint is a close match to factory paint.
Old Oct 26, 2015 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by My442
Supercars engine paint is a close match to factory paint.
Joe ("Costpenn") used Supercars' paint on his motor that you saw in the car at the Nats. I also think Eric's motor color looks really good as well.

Can't comment on your last pic above Rick....it's apparent that the type of lighting that is present has a MASSIVE effect on how these colors/paints appear on the computer screen. Not even blue looking at all in the last pic (in the booth).

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Old Oct 28, 2015 | 09:26 AM
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We used the hirsch paint on my uncle's '73 455 a while back... it looks good, though it will sometimes appear to have that hint of green to it, and I've definitely noticed it in digital pictures depending on the lighting. After I saw some pictures of it, I started thinking it was "wrong" as well. It looks fairly correct though when you see it in person, it's been a while since I've seen it, memory is fading...

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Old Oct 28, 2015 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 83hurstguy
We used the hirsch paint on my uncle's '73 455 a while back... it looks good, though it will sometimes appear to have that hint of green to it, and I've definitely noticed it in digital pictures depending on the lighting. After I saw some pictures of it, I started thinking it was "wrong" as well. It looks fairly correct though when you see it in person, it's been a while since I've seen it, memory is fading...
After a day or so the color started to grow on me but I opted to change it. We got the GM paint code and had a quart mixed up. The pic below is the color we ended up with. I don't have pics of the finished product in natural light so I'll wait to post those pics.
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Old Oct 28, 2015 | 10:46 AM
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Out of curiosity, how'd you get the GM paint code for it? I had done some research on the '68-'69 455 red using the R-M and Inmont paint codes from the assembly manual, but struck out just about everywhere. The "official" shade of red has been debated quite a bit... obviously the blue has a lot more demand, so it probably wasn't as hard to find.
Old Oct 28, 2015 | 10:51 AM
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From another member here on CO. I'll see if he has something on the red.

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Old Oct 28, 2015 | 10:54 AM
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thanks!
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