Check out the "Invoice", dated October 69, shown on this listing. The SX 455 was not available with a 4 bbl carb until February 1970.
Anyone see the other discrepancies on this car?


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W25 hood
Drivers side fender is a 71 or 72
The back bumper looks like it is going to fall off
I am not sure, but wasn't there a SX on the glove compartment door?

Ted

 

Did the 70 model have the prnd21 on the speedo with a console shift

 

I see a non OAI air cleaner with that hood, and a typo on the VIN on the protectoplate.
No such plant went by N. No posi tag on the rear.

I'm sure there's other things.

 

Came with a windshield antennae, now has a fender mounted one
W30 sticker on rad support

 

the tag is on the rear end, have to look close.

Gene

 

drivers side door looks different color

 

Grills not painted correctly, rear seat seat belts are not correct, wrong antenna, wrong oil cap, no rear lower control arm upper braces, sticker says deluxe radio which I think is AM only? power trunk not mentioned but wire visible in trunk, no trunk light or under hood light, no clip holding the washer jar hose to firewall, woodgrain on console is '71 or '72 pattern, that might explain the column shift speedo, incorrect trunk mat, gap in driver side A pillar drip rail molding, I believe I can see drum brakes behind the front wheels but it has a disc brake metering valve hanging off the side of the m.c. & the invoice says it should have disc brakes on it, plus stuff previously mentioned. Looks like a nice car though & most of that stuff is easily corrected but it may not have been born the way it is now. Looks like part of the "invoice" was recently made. The white is much brighter than the rest of it.

 

I know the 2bbl. was cancelled in Feb, but either of the 4bbl. motors weren't available before?

 

Both four barrel and two barrel were offered from beginning of model year. I ordered a new SX in Oct. 69. Got the two barrel option by choice.

 

My 70 was the same colors as this one. Might not be totally original, bot still a nice ride that I would be happy to own.

 

I thought the seat covers were 71' or 72'? Same with the door panels or are those correct for 70'?

 

Scott: I did not know the wood grain on the console was a different pattern in 71. That and the other stuff - good eye! I do not think the rear control arm should have a brace on it though.
LoneStar: I know the 4 bbl was an option on the 455, but thought is was not available on the SX package before February. Good to know.
Joe: I think the seat covers and door panels are correct for 70.


I can understand making an SX clone but it is too bad someone went to such lengths to make up fake documents and try to make them look real. At least they did not try to make a buildsheet for a Lansing car.

 

Did anyone else catch the "W-30" emissions decal on the radiator top plate?

 

...And WTF about this invoice? That's an awfully coincidental way to be cut apart (especially since the important part is a different color than the rest).

Seriously, people???

 

It is interesting to me that a 442 vert would not have had front fender braces, yet a SX would - did the 2 bbl.'s have them as well?

 

I think the fender brace was for the 455 coupe only. My SX vert does not have the fender brace.

 

Too many beers and too many years have passed since then, so I don't really remember. Had it about 2 months then went to Vietnam. While I was gone, damn log truck hit it then backed into it again during the cleanup. It sat in Olds body shop until I got back, because of GM strike. Few months after taking it back, everywhere they had repaired had big cracks in the paint. Insurance wouldn't do anything, so I really showed'em, I traded it for a Toyota, Ha.

 

If the T400 trans had the correct VIN than it is an SX and as it is a W32(365hp 4bl) for the time build. After March the SX only came with a 4bl.
The things I see that I would correct to be Correct would be the Hood(but still like this hood), Paint the grilles(silver), Put the correct color seat belts in(no seat belts in fronts) he put a console in as an option, would change to a 1970 version shifter(switch) and console decal, change out the center speedometer for floor shifter version, change color of wheels, adjust rear bumper, put correct decal on radiator support, put heat riser tube back on and other small items fixed.
I believe at some point in time they put a CB radio in this car because ALL
1970 A-bodies had the antenna in the windshield.
Yes the drivers side fender was replaced.
I would also put this car at 140,000 miles because of the brake pedal.
I would need to see the invoice in my hands before I would make a decision if it was a copy because font of letters look correct.
Mike

 

Of course - I forgot about the W32. Maybe the invoice is not fake and I stand corrected.

 

Looks like Cutlass badges to high up on the fenders

 

I read somewhere the ratio for the W32 was also the better 3.23 gears (w/A/C) as this one has where as the L31/L33 would be 2 series gear up to a 3.08.
" Feb 24, 1970 – Bulletin announces the L33 2-bbl 455 is dropped in favor of the L31 4-bbl 455. The L31 was the basic 88/98 4-barrel 455.

 

On the bottom of the sale bill it is written by hand,
Y72 HD Engine cooling and 55Amp Alternator
G91 3:32 gears and
G80 Anti Spin Rear Axle


Also found this on Youtube:

 

So is there really anything to beware about?

 

there is nothing that relates this invoice to the caror original owner, if this invoice is made up.
The cut line follows a pretty distinctive pattern, even coming juuuuust below the total price in the top right corner.....I am not buying that this invoice is for this car....based on the info at hand

 

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Correct none on the verts

 

How do you know thats a 71, 72 front fender? I thought 70,71 and 72 shared the same bodys
Mike

 

Hi Mike - I believe the driver side fender had the ridge pattern along the upper inside edge in 71 and 72 (?) introduced for safety so it would crumple on impact.

 

The left fender has ripples on top inner edge 71 or 72 style or replacement part.
Also I don't believe anybody caught it yet, 70 wheels should argent grey.
Except pace cars and ralley 350's

Pat

 

Thanks, im going to check mine!
Mike