PetChemMan

The Palm Beach auction is ongoing as I type, and I have a couple of rambling comments. First are the comments the Speed Channel staff made about a very nice 1963 Olds Starfire that sold for about $15,000. Commentator Matt Stone of Motor Trend magazine said that the car wasn't even close to being a collector car . I disagree. The car had only about 69,000 miles, and looked to be very nice indeed. Certainly there are enough Olds fans interested in such a car to justify calling it a collector car. The two members of the stage staff were clueless in describing the car , and I was disappointed in their lack of knowledge. Anyone who drove the early 60s Starfires when they were new knows what very nice automobiles they were.
( I am, of course, biased, since I own a '62 Starfire.)
My other thought concerns the fact that cars at the auction that are termed
" re-creations" usually sell for far less money than a " restored" car. A recreation would be a vehicle that did not have matching numbers for the drivetrain and other major components. However, when I consider the full restorations done on many of the cars, and the fact that they have full interiors that are aftermarket, body parts that are aftermarket, and many internal mechanicals that are aftermarket, they are no more original than the re-creations. I suppose that's what makes an original " survivor" car so special. What you have is all original , and not an attempt to duplicate an original.

jensenracing77

i would love to have a starfire. particularly the 62. if it is not a collector car then i want the first non collector car collection

citcapp

All those guys want to talk about are chevys, mustanges, Hemi-anything, and british iron. Your lucky if they give any airtime to cars most of us want to see. I have been to their auctions. Lots of great cars you will never see on TV.

MN71W30

I was in Phoenix in January at BJ. The whole thing seemed like a circus. Finding a nice car...I mean a real nice car was not easy. If those guys told you the real condition of most of the cars up for auction nobody would watch the show. I'm not so sure they know the difference. Most cars looked to be slammed together fast, and the seller looking for some big money.
There are exceptions but 90% were average cars. Starfires like Toro's and Riveras, etc will never be crowd favorites but I enjoy seeing those non mainstream cars the best.

66 Olznut

Which is why I love Oldsmobiles in general. Nobody has them and everyone looks and guesses at what it is.

oldsonharmont

I'll admit I always watch these auctions when they're on Speed and it seems like the hosts have become more knowledgeable about the cars.
My complaint is they always take a break when an Olds or Buick hits the block. Granted Vettes and Mustangs might have bigger a following, but a Starfire or Riveria give the coverage variety. Sort of like a buffet that only serves the same 3 or 4 items would get boring real fast. Anyone agree?

toro68

Very few times you will a nice Olds at B-J.
My red Toronado was sold at B-J , back in the Spring of 2005. Please read the link

scrappie

I watched last nite to see the 70 442 w-30 conv. 4-spd. sell for around 160k. I think that Olds was well represented with such a beautiful automobile. I think in the coming years Oldsmobiles will become even more popular and desirable at auctions like this. That 442 and others like it at BJ really stood out in my mind but I might be a little bias

Bluevista

That Starfire was really nice, good deal IMO if it's nice as it looks. The prices were more realistic this year, good for buyers. A goat just like mine sold for 63K, I'll let mine go for 30K right now.
Those guys know some stuff, I never knew you could get A 4-4-2 four door when you ordered the police package their first year, anybody ever seen one?

wmachine

I do. And I'd like to see it that way with Olds kept in the background. You can see my other comments on this:
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...html#post75179