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Old December 15th, 2013, 08:27 AM
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1971 W-30 convertible in Mecum auction

One of ten convertibles with a/c, but I didn't think the rear wing was available on the converts? I noticed there is no mention of a broadcast card with this one. Very nice looking though in Viking Blue. Looks like something is a little off on the drivers side stripe where the W-30 emblem is. Looks crooked, or the stripe angled or something.

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Nice, but yes... stripes are way off... front bumper is bent... grille openings are not quite right. The angle of the pics makes it look worse than is probably is.
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Coming from a guy who has never been able to cull any kind of love or desire for convertibles, that car is gorgeous and I'd drive the living hell out of it.
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i would rape that car
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Old December 15th, 2013, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WhatIf
but I didn't think the rear wing was available on the converts?
Wing was only available on the Coupes from the factory, could be a dealer installed item but probably a much later addition. Kind of makes you wonder what else is added after the fact.... Hmmmmmm.
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Old December 15th, 2013, 10:11 AM
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The stripes look hideous kicked up like a check mark and way thicker than should be
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In addition to the non-original wing and the glaringly incorrect stripes, the red inner fenders sure look like repros:



Of course, as expected it also has just about every option available in the parts book...

Does the build data even exist to prove that only 10 1971 W-30 converts came with air?
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I'm not going to wave the bullshit flag, but I sure did get it out and hold it ready.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Does the build data even exist to prove that only 10 1971 W-30 converts came with air?
One of 10?
Yes there were only 110 W30 converts and the seller *could* further say one of 78 with an automatic. But the question still is 1 of 10 what?
"it is one of only 110 convertible versions built that year and, perhaps of more significance to collectors, one of just 10 factory-fitted with air conditioning"
To me, it reads 1 of 10 of the 110 W30 convertibles that have AC.
I can't confirm that with my production records because it is a combination of options. It is certainly plausible that 10% of them had AC. And it it is also possible that the "1 of 10" was obtained from Oldsmobile many years ago when such records are available. There are scattered instances of of these types of "records" that were the result of someone inquiring Olds years ago, and Helen Early looking up and providing some of these stats in a letter to the inquirer.
But now, it is actually a pretty simple thing when it comes to "unusual" claims like this: Show me the proof. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

In this case, though, the claim is far from unrealistic.
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The stripes are horrible..
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There have been other claims of only 10 AC equipped 71
W30 convertibles. I have info on 78 of the 110 converts that I have accumulated in person and personal research over 30 years. Currently my info shows 16-18 cars got AC on a W30ragtop in 1971.
The steering wheel and gauges look like repos as well. Also too many 71 are getting restored with the all chrome SSI wheels. Get a vin number and data tag, I can tell you more.

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So is this car #2 of 10 built.....or is it round 2?
http://e.mecumauction.com/HS?a=ENX7C...Vsje_HhdDOxVOC

$110-150K...wow

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Originally Posted by dc2x4drvr
The stripes are horrible..
Agreed. I'm not a fan of convertibles to begin with but seeing the mangled stripes really ruins this car.
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I'm not going to wave the bullshit flag, but I sure did get it out and hold it ready.
That made me cry 😅😅😅😅
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I Find it interesting that almost a year has passed since car #1 first appeared, and here is a 2nd near twin to it, touting a similar pedigree. I am no expert, beautiful car to be sure, either car is, but both stating they are each 1 of 10 seems more than a coincidence. And note the fender stripes, while better on my posted example, still bear some of that turned up hint as last years did. This car does state as having broadcast sheet and plethora of documentation. So I can only say nice car, and to the owner Best of Luck.

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been about 15 yrs since i had my 70 w-31,but i don't remember my brake lines off the master cylinder going around the back and above the master cylinder.they gotta be hell to bleed
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Old December 29th, 2014, 07:03 PM
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Love the Viking Blue with Black Interior, but if this is the same car that I am thinking of, it was originally sold here in Texas as Sienna Brown (code 67) or Sable Brown (code 68)
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This car smells. And it ain't that "New car smell" either.
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Yea... those stripes... wow. How did that get messed up so much.
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Never mind the stripes - what's the deal with the leading edge of the hood above the passenger side grille? And this is a SIX FIGURE car???

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Originally Posted by cherokeepeople
been about 15 yrs since i had my 70 w-31,but i don't remember my brake lines off the master cylinder going around the back and above the master cylinder.they gotta be hell to bleed


Uh, where do you see that?

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I believe he mistook the MC bale for a brake line. The 2 brake lines I see look to be properly routed and the MC looks to have the proper bleeders on it too. I agree the hood has the same hideous deformity the one that started this thread has.
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano


Uh, where do you see that?

I think he is talking about the picture of the original car posted in this thread. Post 7
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Originally Posted by jensenracing77
I think he is talking about the picture of the original car posted in this thread. Post 7
Ah. Interesting how both cars appear to have the same crappy repro hood...
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano


Uh, where do you see that?

the 7th post down joe posted a pic.also in joes pic the thermostat housing is alum color in this pic its blue.
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Pic in post 7 & pic in post 21 are different cars (or severely altered) washer bottle on opposite sides, (7 appears correct on a 455 w/ OAI & AC), and the foam OAI gasket is different, and the top rad hose is different....
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Originally Posted by Paladin31
Pic in post 7 & pic in post 21 are different cars (or severely altered) washer bottle on opposite sides, (7 appears correct on a 455 w/ OAI & AC), and the foam OAI gasket is different, and the top rad hose is different....
And the alternator changed, wonder which car they're selling?
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And the alternator changed, wonder which car they're selling?
These are two different auctions 1 year apart. Two different blue cars. I still like the one with the black interior which is coming up in a couple of weeks.
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Ali, thanks for the clarification.
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Speaking of alternators, what is with that wiring harness routing on the upper alternator bracket? Looks like two of the clips where there is normally one and don't the AC cars normally have that coming from the Fenderwell forward of the horn relay? Is this something unique to 71's?

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Originally Posted by Texas442
Love the Viking Blue with Black Interior, but if this is the same car that I am thinking of, it was originally sold here in Texas as Sienna Brown (code 67) or Sable Brown (code 68)
Is it this one?
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Originally Posted by Diego
Is it this one?
Close but not the same car. The sable brown in the picture above was only recently offered for sale (~2009 -2011) somewhere up north. The auction car with the black stripes sold new in Texas. I met the prior owner loooong time ago and he sold it in the late 1980's before it changed color to blue. Back then I didn't know the difference between Sable Brown & Sienna.

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Forgive the tangent, but what do you know about the Sable one pictured? I'm trying to trace its lineage, even on this site. I may know it from the 1980s. You seem to be somewhat familiar with its appearance on this site, but I am not.
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Originally Posted by Diego
Forgive the tangent, but ...
Forgiven.

That's much better than the ever-popular "Not to hijack this thread, but..." and far more accurate.

Unfortunately, I can't help you on the car.
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Originally Posted by costpenn
Speaking of alternators, what is with that wiring harness routing on the upper alternator bracket? Looks like two of the clips where there is normally one and don't the AC cars normally have that coming from the Fenderwell forward of the horn relay? Is this something unique to 71's?
That was changed in 71. 70 was the last year to go across from the inner fender.
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Originally Posted by Diego
Forgive the tangent, but what do you know about the Sable one pictured? I'm trying to trace its lineage, even on this site. I may know it from the 1980s. You seem to be somewhat familiar with its appearance on this site, but I am not.
I also grabbed that picture when the Sable Brown car was being discussed on here or ROP several years back. I want to say that Brian Trick was looking at it, putting it in NW PA or SE NY or thereabouts. I'll check the download date on my pic.

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One of the posters for the Sable Brown W30 on ROP was Rentec99. I have also seen the same car from a different angle posted elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by paulolds
One of the posters for the Sable Brown W30 on ROP was Rentec99. I have also seen the same car from a different angle posted elsewhere.
Now that we all shamefully hijacked this 2013 Auction thread, there may have been 2 Sable Brown convertibles. The one with gold stripes from ROP, but there was also this one with the white stripes:
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I think that car was for sale on 442.com a few years ago. I have a underhood picture showing nonA/C, non power disc which aligns with a 4 speed car. Also going from memory this car has a 3 core radiator with a fan shroud. I can post the pictures when I am at my home computer if anyone wants to see them.

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sable Brown W30

The upstate NY car was bought by a fellow from Vanvouver who subsequently sold it to a person in Northern Bc who is restoring it.
The Sable brown with gold stripes remains elusive.
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