Looking at purchasing a 70 Toronado. Really just wanted to look at the motor. While looking at the car it appears to be a GT W34. The rear bumper has the cutouts for exhaust. The transmission is missing the Paint on the tag but the tag has 70 om then 2690 ( nut sure on the four digits ) stamped into the aluminum tag. It does have the telescoping and tilt column and the factory AM/FM radio. is there anyway to tell if the engine is indeed at W34 engine or if even the car is a true GT W34 car. Looking on the net and the forum it seems like there is little to help confirm it would be a true W34 car.

 

Unlike the first series, the cut out bumper was not standard. Only the GTs got the cut out in 70. If it is original paint I think they have specific GT stripes over the wheel openings?? GT emblem on hood?? Also I think the GT had a specific coded transmission. All this info is from memory so please double check before purchasing. I had a gold 70 GT. The previous owner had installed studs in the front tires. It would chew up asphalt like a fat girl eating cake.

Don W

 

Also, didn't they have a cold air intake snorkle Don? I'm relying on my crs as well.

 

 

OM is the correct trans code specific to the GT per the 70 chassis manual.
The earlier years had the cold air intake, but I do not think the 70s did.

Don W

 

I've got a 1969 with the W34 option. What I believe is the key is matching the vin derivative stamped in the OM transmission with the engine/dash vin number. Here's a link to my old thread, one picture shows the transmission tag with the vin derivative stamped near it. I would say if you have this verified you can be sure its a W34. I don't know if the carburetor and distributor have numbers that differentiate the W34 or not, but matching those numbers would be the next step if I were trying to verify its correct-ness! John

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...oject-car.html

 

The car does have the stripes above the wheel openings, The hood has the GT Emblem. i will pull the power steering bracket and check the number on the engine pad to see if it matches the vin. Looking at 2blu442 previous add, now I see why the tag on the trans didn't match the vin on the car. I will check the vin number on the case. It appeared to have the correct carburetor number ( but it also had a sticker where it had been serviced by a carburetor shop) > I was trying to find a post I saw where I think Joe had posted all of the carbs for the 70 model cars.

The front wheel drive, is there anything special about it for the GT version? I thought I ran across something that it had a lower set of gears than the standard Toronado.

 

So the car does have the 7040252 carburetor that is listed in the add that was posted by Joe. Was kind of surprised the w34 package didn't have a special carburetor

 

I've read that the OM transmission has extra clutches that the typical OJ transmission doesn't have. But I don't know enough about automatic transmissions to say how significant that is.
John

 

Looking online, It sounds like the GT W34 had a different set of gears ( 3.07 ? ) .

Just had another look at the car this morning. Looks like it will definitely need a lot of sheet metal work. Not sure if I want to tackle that. I wonder if there is enough interest in the car to sell it complete before offering to dismantle it for parts?

 

I know the 1966-67 had 3.21 gears, but believe all Toronado's 1968 into 1970's had the 3.07's. The W33 and W34 cars are rare, but the demand isn't anything like the A-body W cars. So if its rough it might be hard to sell as something to restore. If you scroll down to the related threads you'll see a bucket seat W34 car that I believe got parted out. At least from the posts here on CO I didn't see anyone wanting to buy it at his price, which I thought wasn't bad. John

 

I will take a few pictures and see what the interest is. Over all the car looks to be all there minus the radiator and hoses. Story is radiator started leaking and they pulled to replace ant then left it sitting. the old radiator might be in the trunk, I haven't had a chance to open it yet. If I remember correctly the car shows 90,000 miles.

I am sure they are a few parts that someone needs, just hate to see one of these rare cars parted out. BUT if most of it is parted out, it made a good donor car for several people.

 

Took pictures today. Will try and upload tonight. A pillar on the driver side has a hole rusted through it and also one below it on the front of the cowl ( firewall ). The trans and engine pad numbers match the car vin#. So it is a 1970 GT W34 Toronado. Carburetor number matches 7040252 ( 3244 was another set of numbers on it.) Motor not siezed up, but was hard to turn with plugs installed and with a 1/2" drive ratchet. I will try to get the pictures posted tonight. not sure I want to tackle the rust.

is there ant interest in parts? if so please PM me and I will try to get pictures.

 

didn't the gt have the highest horsepower rating of any olds engine.

 

 

having trouble finding the pictures I saved. Will add more once I can retrieve them

 

On paper, yes the 1970 Toronado GT showed 400 hp. But the 1970 W30 only showed 370 hp. There has a been a lot of discussion about a rule saying the cars being built could only have 1 hp for every 10 pounds of weight, the W30 weighing in around 3700 pounds. Its likely the W30 engine put out more hp than was shown in the paperwork.

 

 

 

I don't see anything glaring jumping out. If you decide you do want to restore it I've got 1967,1968 and 1969 Toronado parts cars. Not positive the A pillar is the same, but if so I could probably provide a good one. John

 

I just noticed the Master Cylinder, does the car have front disc brakes? If so that's a nice option that's not super common. The bleeders on the master indicate it may be original or at least and early one.

 

 

 

If you do decide to part it, make a list of all the items that have part numbers such as the distributor, alternator, starter, brake master cylinder, etc. Then check those with what part numbers were used on other models. If it shared any items with the 442 there would likely be more demand for someone wanting to use it there vs. the number of people restoring W34 Toronado's. John

 

 

 

It does have power disc front brakes

 

I see an AM/FM radio. What's the toggle switch on the far left edge of the dash, over near the drivers door?

Tilt tele wheel is common as are the power windows and power bench seat. Any other options you can find?

 

It doesn't look that bad to me. But how's the roof under the vinyl top? Any rot in the floorboards or trunk? It would be a shame to part out such a rare car. But if you don't want to restore it yourself and can't get what you want selling it whole there are a lot of nice parts on it. John

 

I totally agree that's why I stated it as rating. I used to have one and now have whats left of a parts car gt. it seems like I remember looking up specs and it had a bigger cam than most of the 455 engines. but nonetheless these cars were beasts.

 

2blu442 the toggle switch on the left side of the dash is for rear window defrost if I remember correctly. Not sure what the top looks like under the vinyl. But I know the bottom of both quarter panels and the bottom rear of the driver side front fender is rotted pretty bad. I also think the drivers door has a rust hole back toward the bottom rear of it. the last I spoke with the guy he was still trying to track down the title from the lady he bought it from. Supposedly a one owner car. But like I told him without a title it's merely a parts car unless someone can get a title.

yes the AM/FM radio might find it's way into my 1971 convertible.

 

can anyone tell if the breather is the correct on? Looks like everything is in the right place. But not sure why there is three slots in the end of the snorkel instead of the regular Oldsmobile end.

 

like the horn button!but on another note that wood on the wheel is flaking like the wood on my 70 98 with a rim blow horn,is the inside of the wheel rubber??

 

Still no luck on getting a hold of the person so we can try and see if we can get a title. Is there any needs for parts?

 

I thought they boasted 400 horse power