Here you go, 1970 442, W-30 Built In Freemont, not Lansing............????? This beautiful factory 442 was built in Fremont, California, and purchased new by its previous owner in Northern California who repainted the exterior before selling it to its current owner who beautifully completed its restoration back to OEM standards in the late 1990s including the addition of a proper W-30 package including the 30 Ram Air hood with a fiberglass top and steel base and red fiberglass inner fender aprons and more.

https://classiccars.com/listings/vie...n=alert-digest

 

The seller is an idiot!

 

The ad says the "W30 package" was added in the late 90s. The seller is clever. Anyone who buys it assuming it's real is the idiot.

 

Gotta love bullshitters.

(It's previous owner in Northern California who repainted the exterior before selling it to its current owner.)
Gee no stripes and emblems added there huh?

(Who beautifully completed its restoration back to OEM standards in the late 1990s including the addition of a proper W-30 package including the 30 Ram Air hood with a fiberglass top and steel base and red fiberglass inner fender aprons and more.)

Including the addition of said W-30 parts. He does lay it out as fake. It is stated as W car things/parts were added. Easy call it not being a born W-30 there is no factory spoiler 🤣🤔

Ha ha ha.

Hell it's only eighty grand for a reworked whatever it came as. Smokin deal.

 

Smokin deal alright, eighty grand for a thirty grand car.
Yeah, like what were they smokin?

 

But it has the " red fiberglass" inner fenders!!! One of one.

 

lol

 

Cleverly written but nowhere does it claim its a factory W-30. Must be a slow news day...

 

i like the part the rebuilt 442 fires up easily and runs smoothly.i thought they came with 455's guess i don't know oldsmobiles!

 

The ad specifically says the W30 parts were added in the late 1990s.

 

You do realize we're saying the same thing, right?

 

My point was really directed at those who think the seller is lying.

 

The Caption: 1970 Oldsmobile 442 2-Door Hardtop W30 Package, 4-Speed
The classified advertisement caption is deceptive and can be misleading. If the seller wanted to be clear, the seller should have written 442 with W-30 parts.
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Also, in the body, in which it references the addition of the W-30 package, the language W-30 package can be construed as possessing the W-30 package, not W-30 parts.

Clearer language, will minimize potential future claims.

 

All the Karen’s freaking out about the added W30 package. When there isn’t even a mention of it having docs it’s a legit 442 to begin with?

wonderful.

 

Maybe because of this...

 

you believe that can’t be restamped? …. It’s the easiest thing to do.

 

Sure, and life is just a computer program.

 

that plate is so easy to do a 344 on. I thought you were a lot smarter.

 

No docs, no history…you are taking a huge gamble.

 

But hey, chase the squirrel W30, that way you’ll forget about it not even having basic 442 docs

or does it?

 

So given this deep state faking, exactly what documents are you suggesting are needed? The repro window sticker? The repro broadcast card? The repro build sheet? All of those are readily available and a lot easier to fake than the VIN tag and cowl tag.

 

All those docs are easy to prove as being reproduced. Jeez, if that’s all you require,, you deserve to be fooled.

keep trying.

 

Seems like somebody’s in a mood.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ

 

The total acceptance of 344 cars today is shocking,, no questions asked, no skepticism,, nothing…hey, it’s stamped 344 right there, so there ya go.

the shear number of them coming out of the woodwork every day…it’s like someone discovered a buried treasure. More being found, the more the years pass

 

Your takes are hilarious. You said the same thing on restamping a transmission, too.

 

Please, enlighten us with your wisdom.

 

Are we to just assume a "proper W30 package" includes all those expensive pesky components like the correct heads, carb, distributor, etc that were on a real W30? I'm in the "seller is an idiot" camp. They seem to be setting themself up for some legal issues with a statement like that.

 

Don’t waste your time JP trying to reason with ol Canadian olds fart, not worth the time..its cold up there, he is cantankerous and the cold weather has gotten to his brain..

 

He does, everytime he posts!! A Philadelphia Common Pleas Criminal Court Judge and close friend taught me that "you can't argue with a sick mind."
No point wasting time. The guy knows everything and is immune to reasoning.
He may attempt, after I post this response, to draw me in or launch a personal attack. I could care less.
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The desperation for every car to be legit here is blinding a lot of peoples judgement.

why would it be so hard to change a 2 to a 4 on a cowl plate ?

everyone knows there are fake parts out there that have been restamped like carbs, distributors etc. which are really good and near impossible to tell if they’ve been faked. It’s a heck of a lot more difficult to do a carb or distributor than change one number on a cowl plate.

fake cowl plates are out there with a lot more changed on them than just one number. Color codes, options and everything else has been done to make a car more desirable.

how do I know? Because it’s been caught many times when the actual real history of the car is checked out against a known record source. VVS , Vintage Vehicle Services has caught that scam before. It’s why they had to change their own documents to be printed on watermark paper.

That’s not me dreaming something up…get in touch with them and ask for yourself.

now when you don’t have a car that can be verified by a VVS report, that’s basically every car in the U.S. not exported, you have to rely on other factory docs or dealership docs etc. everyone’s seen a nice set of docs. Broadcast sheets , build sheets , dealership sales info, protecto plates etc. originals, not the fake ones .

how many cars have gone through high end auctions for big money only to be scrutinized later and found out to fake? More than anyone can count.

so saying, hey look, there’s a number 4 there on the plate, that proves it is what it is….is naive .

 

So VVS documentation is absolute. Got it. Are you by chance located in Canada? I assume you have a Canadian documented Olds, too? Ironic how that all works out for you.

 

Except when they make a typo - like the time the VVS documentation showed the ratio for a Type O axle instead of the Oshawa-installed Type C. And of course a printed piece of paper with a copy/paste VVS logo is MUCH more difficult to fake than a stamped VIN tag.

 

Only watermark VVS would be absolute…no VVS prior to them changing over because there are known fakes out there..like I said, contact them, they’ll tell you the same thing.

If it’s not VVS verifiable then it would need any of the things mentioned. You know there are plenty of docs to prove a cars legitimacy,, don’t play dumb here.

Of course this is just me being a paranoid deep state skeptic, that has nothing to do with the deep state 🙄

you can believe any fairy tale you want…like there are only totally honest people out there with perfectly legit cars

 

It is awfully convenient for you. I have talked at great lengths with George and understand everything there is to know about their process, why they won’t share Microfiche, etc. While I believe your logic is flawed, and you pass anecdotes off for facts, you’re welcome to your opinion.

 

nope, a typo isn’t a fake car…it’s a typo. What’s a copy paste VVS logo mean?

if it’s on their watermark paper, it’s a legit car..it’s got a serial number right? You saying a typo for an incorrect gear has nothing to do with the CAR being legit.

Jeez, you are desperate.

 

whats convenient? That I’m skeptical and ask perfectly legitimate questions about authenticity?

then if you’ve talked to George at great lengths, he told you why they had to change their docs right?

it’s because there were fake docs of theirs being passed off as legit for fake cars

my logic isn’t flawed on this..changing one number on a plate can and has been done. Without supporting documentation to verify numbers on that plate are what they are, you are only guessing.

 

Your argument is a bit self-serving since you’re in Canada with a Canadian car but I will play along. I don’t subscribe to a VVS document holding anymore credence than a window sticker, dealer invoice, or broadcast card. Now, if you could get access to the actual microfiche then I would anoint that as the pinnacle of documentation. Since the key codes are on the microfiche, VVS George isn’t willing to share. I have seen the microfiche and printouts they have as they used to send them out several years ago. What you unfortunately rely on is a prickly dude copying details from a microfiche that has several cars listed on it and is prone to typos, errors, etc. because you’ve now introduced a human element. If you want to take the VVS document as gospel, how do you feel about your stripe color being misrepresented on their print out?

And with regards to the VIN tag, body plate, etc. it isn’t as easy as you outline. Yes, you can have a new body tag made for a few hundred bucks. In those, there are obvious telltale signs. Plus, you’re discrediting the tangential parts associated with these tags such as rivets, filler, and paint finish. Please stop trying to hype that it’s easy because it’s not. If you want to get the stamping kit from Harbor Freight, have at it but it’ll 100% look like you did it.

 

Every person should be subject to a lie detector test before selling a car

 

There's been a shift in the space time continuum around here. Every car used to be scrutinized beyond belief, and now, every car is real. It's like the Twilight Zone.

 

Help me understand. Back in Post #16, you were worried about a "restamped" VIN tag, which is why you claim you don't trust a 344... VIN as proof of a real 442. All this "documentation" is tied to that VIN tag. If someone is going through the trouble and expense and risk of faking a VIN tag (and cowl tag to match), faking paper to go with it is trivially easy. What am I missing here? Please help us all learn from your big brain.