Different rims for disc brakes?
July 21st, 2012, 09:58 PM
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Erik, the 15" wheels used on the disc brake option cars came with a Toronado dog-dish cap and trim ring. I believe the only 15" full wheel cover Olds had in '67 (and possibly '68) was for the Toronado high-offset wheel, so the 15" full size cars got the cap & ring treatment.
This is what the wheels look like (without the trim ring):
This is what the wheels look like (without the trim ring):
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July 22nd, 2012, 06:58 AM
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Wow, interesting...that wheel looks kind of nice with that cap, but not sure how that would look on my convertible! I love the dog dish look, very sporty. But the wires look a little more luxurious! I'm in the process of buying a used set-up(disc brake) out of another '67 delta. The donor has full hubcaps, but not sure if they are correct? I would need to see what the options looked like for a disc car. Really would like to keep wires....
July 22nd, 2012, 08:46 AM
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I just checked the '67 Salesman's folder for the Delmont models and I stand corrected about full wheel covers. Although I have never seen one, the option list shows N94 as an optional 15" wheel disc for cars equipped with J52 disc brakes. The parts catalog shows N94 to be p/n 397682 if anyone should ever happen to locate one.
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July 22nd, 2012, 08:55 AM
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As uncommon as those wheels are, it would be a shame to cover them up with full wheel covers. Not that anyone but an Olds guy would even know what they are...
Here's something to think about. Early-70s Chevrolet wire wheel caps look very similar to the 67 Olds wire cap, moreso than any of the Olds 15" wire caps. If you could figure out a way to transplant an Olds center onto that Chevrolet cap, you'd have the correct look and odds are no one would be the wiser.
Erik, do you remember seeing a deep red 1960 Ninety Eight at the Seven Springs show? That car had 15" wheels, and the owner had attached the 1960 14" full wheel cover to some type of 15" trim ring, and it looked like a factory piece. I talked with him at length about that conversion and it would probably not be a difficult job.
Here's something to think about. Early-70s Chevrolet wire wheel caps look very similar to the 67 Olds wire cap, moreso than any of the Olds 15" wire caps. If you could figure out a way to transplant an Olds center onto that Chevrolet cap, you'd have the correct look and odds are no one would be the wiser.
Erik, do you remember seeing a deep red 1960 Ninety Eight at the Seven Springs show? That car had 15" wheels, and the owner had attached the 1960 14" full wheel cover to some type of 15" trim ring, and it looked like a factory piece. I talked with him at length about that conversion and it would probably not be a difficult job.
July 22nd, 2012, 09:12 AM
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Glenn, those two ideas could be alternatives I'd be interested in. I will look through the Seven Springs "yearbook" to try and remember that car....I may even have a pic of it, and don't realize it. I have a guy I met here, retrieving those rims today at some yard in Southern Cali......those had the full covers. I'm surprised there wasn't a wire option on the disc brake car. Seems it would go hand in hand?
July 22nd, 2012, 10:11 AM
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I just checked the '67 Salesman's folder for the Delmont models and I stand corrected about full wheel covers. Although I have never seen one, the option list shows N94 as an optional 15" wheel disc for cars equipped with J52 disc brakes. The parts catalog shows N94 to be p/n 397682 if anyone should ever happen to locate one.
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The N94 looks identical to the P02 14" covers.
Except those are '66 Toro caps. '67 Toro caps are different and are the same from '67-'70.
July 22nd, 2012, 11:48 AM
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Kurt, did the later years disc brake wheel use the 66 Toro "Rocket" cap or the 67-70 Toro "OLDSMOBILE" lettered cap?
I ask because the first disc brake car I ever saw was a one-owner 68 Delta Custom out of Forest City NC and it had the Rocket caps, along with a paper trail back to delivery.
The guy that was parting the disc brake 68 Ninety Eight LS on here a while back- didn't that one also have Rocket caps?
Not saying they couldn't have been changed thru the years, because the 66 caps seem to be way more common to find.
I ask because the first disc brake car I ever saw was a one-owner 68 Delta Custom out of Forest City NC and it had the Rocket caps, along with a paper trail back to delivery.
The guy that was parting the disc brake 68 Ninety Eight LS on here a while back- didn't that one also have Rocket caps?
Not saying they couldn't have been changed thru the years, because the 66 caps seem to be way more common to find.
July 22nd, 2012, 12:40 PM
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Kurt, did the later years disc brake wheel use the 66 Toro "Rocket" cap or the 67-70 Toro "OLDSMOBILE" lettered cap?
I ask because the first disc brake car I ever saw was a one-owner 68 Delta Custom out of Forest City NC and it had the Rocket caps, along with a paper trail back to delivery.
The guy that was parting the disc brake 68 Ninety Eight LS on here a while back- didn't that one also have Rocket caps?
Not saying they couldn't have been changed thru the years, because the 66 caps seem to be way more common to find.
I ask because the first disc brake car I ever saw was a one-owner 68 Delta Custom out of Forest City NC and it had the Rocket caps, along with a paper trail back to delivery.
The guy that was parting the disc brake 68 Ninety Eight LS on here a while back- didn't that one also have Rocket caps?
Not saying they couldn't have been changed thru the years, because the 66 caps seem to be way more common to find.
July 22nd, 2012, 04:33 PM
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Interesting. So I might have seen them but just didn't realize what I was looking at. The '67 Toronado deluxe I owned many years ago had the same style 15" wheelcover but with more offset to fit over the FWD wheels.
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July 22nd, 2012, 04:41 PM
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By the way, the 15" wheels and center caps pictured on my red '67 Delmont actually are original to my jade gold '68 Delmont convertible. It was ordered with the 15" wheel option, but drum brakes. When I bought the car it had Chrysler full wheelcovers on it, but the rocket center caps were in the trunk. Unfortunately the trim rings were gone and I've never been lucky enough to find a decent set.
July 22nd, 2012, 06:08 PM
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By the way, the 15" wheels and center caps pictured on my red '67 Delmont actually are original to my jade gold '68 Delmont convertible. It was ordered with the 15" wheel option, but drum brakes. When I bought the car it had Chrysler full wheelcovers on it, but the rocket center caps were in the trunk. Unfortunately the trim rings were gone and I've never been lucky enough to find a decent set.
Interestingly the neither were available on the '98.
July 22nd, 2012, 06:52 PM
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By the way, the 15" wheels and center caps pictured on my red '67 Delmont actually are original to my jade gold '68 Delmont convertible. It was ordered with the 15" wheel option, but drum brakes. When I bought the car it had Chrysler full wheelcovers on it, but the rocket center caps were in the trunk. Unfortunately the trim rings were gone and I've never been lucky enough to find a decent set.
In addition to using leftover 66 Toro hubcaps they also reached into the past and grabbed 51/52 Chevrolet passenger car 15" wheel trim rings. Be aware that Chevy used 2 completely different styles of trim rings, one style cover the whole wheel beyond the dogdish. The other style just covered the outer rim which is the style you want. There may be earlier(49/50?) and later(53?) Chevies using them, I'm only positive on 51/52.
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July 22nd, 2012, 07:00 PM
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Glenn...those look like the caps that were on the parts car....they were very rough!
July 22nd, 2012, 08:58 PM
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YOUR SEARCH HAS EXPANDED!
In addition to using leftover 66 Toro hubcaps they also reached into the past and grabbed 51/52 Chevrolet passenger car 15" wheel trim rings. Be aware that Chevy used 2 completely different styles of trim rings, one style cover the whole wheel beyond the dogdish. The other style just covered the outer rim which is the style you want. There may be earlier(49/50?) and later(53?) Chevies using them, I'm only positive on 51/52.
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In addition to using leftover 66 Toro hubcaps they also reached into the past and grabbed 51/52 Chevrolet passenger car 15" wheel trim rings. Be aware that Chevy used 2 completely different styles of trim rings, one style cover the whole wheel beyond the dogdish. The other style just covered the outer rim which is the style you want. There may be earlier(49/50?) and later(53?) Chevies using them, I'm only positive on 51/52.
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July 22nd, 2012, 09:11 PM
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I believe the original purchaser of my car equipped it with the 15" wheels as a towing option. It also had the M40 TH400 trans option which is recommended for towing with the standard 350 2bbl engine, which my car has. The rear frame crossmember and bumper have holes drilled where a hitch was attached at one time.
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July 23rd, 2012, 05:08 AM
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Kurt, look at the PE1 option for 68 Delmont 88's. It shows that if you ordered 8.45-15 4-ply (heavy duty) w/w tires, the 15" wheels, caps & trim rings were included. The same goes for the radial tire option.
I believe the original purchaser of my car equipped it with the 15" wheels as a towing option. It also had the M40 TH400 trans option which is recommended for towing with the standard 350 2bbl engine, which my car has. The rear frame crossmember and bumper have holes drilled where a hitch was attached at one time.
I believe the original purchaser of my car equipped it with the 15" wheels as a towing option. It also had the M40 TH400 trans option which is recommended for towing with the standard 350 2bbl engine, which my car has. The rear frame crossmember and bumper have holes drilled where a hitch was attached at one time.
Expanding on this, in '68 there were 3 15" wheel/tire options , the third being with radial tires. What we don't know is from the option descriptions is how many different wheel were there? I believe it was 2. The parts books may shed some light on this.
And in '68, all three 15" options were available on the '98.
July 23rd, 2012, 05:17 AM
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That wasn't the image for the big cars at that time. Wires had a sport image. That came from true wire wheels that were standard fare on (foreign) "sports cars" of the era. In '65, the "sportiest" wheels you could get on a 442 was wire caps (aside from the late year N95), as the SuperStock wheel did not arrive until '66.
July 23rd, 2012, 07:12 AM
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The 67 was originally equipped with 14" whitewalls and wire wheelcovers. When I converted to aftermarket front disc brakes it needed 15" wheels anyway, so...
July 23rd, 2012, 07:26 AM
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Go back and look at the smooth beauty ring offered. Henry
July 23rd, 2012, 09:35 AM
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July 23rd, 2012, 06:35 PM
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I did go to the site, and it has been very useful. But the last couple of times, I've been getting an error message, and haven't been able to use it. Great work on that , by the way, Kurt!
July 24th, 2012, 02:57 PM
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1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE w/ DISC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have 3 remaining === New Old Stock ==== Front HUB & ROTOR ASSEMBLIES for the 1967 - 1968 OLDS FULL SIZE OLDSMOBILEs!!!!!!!!!!!
Whom are the lucky winners??????
Call me --- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935......New York...
Whom are the lucky winners??????
Call me --- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935......New York...
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And 1 other thing---------
I also have about 30 sets of the Ol' "D3" Brake Pads -- all N.O.S. --- which means, of course, they are ++ ASBESTOS ++ --- illegal now 17 years, to manufacture; not to transact on -- they fall under the jurisdiction of they were manufactured before the statute; hence the term "New Old Stock".......
Grab 'em before they're gone........also used on other 1967 - 1968 G M applications, including the 1967 - 1968 Camaro and Chevelles , Olds Cutlasses and 442s, and Pontiac G T O s, etc. with the factory Disc Brake 4 caliper --- original --- set up.....
Call me --- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935.....
Grab 'em before they're gone........also used on other 1967 - 1968 G M applications, including the 1967 - 1968 Camaro and Chevelles , Olds Cutlasses and 442s, and Pontiac G T O s, etc. with the factory Disc Brake 4 caliper --- original --- set up.....
Call me --- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935.....
July 24th, 2012, 07:43 PM
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I've been following this thread for awhile because I have a set of four 14X6 steel wheels that supposedly came off of a '67 Delta 88. They are 14X6 and have the letter "S" stamped into the rim just to the left of the valve stem opening, lug measurement 5 on 4 3/4. The odd thing about these wheels is they appear to me that they could acommodate disc brakes. Apparently not? Maybe these aren't even '67 Delta 88 wheels?
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